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Fellowship Of Friends/Fourth Way School/Living Presence Discussion – Page 194 January 28, 2023

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1. Vinnie the Fish - January 31, 2023

Good to see that comments on the last page seem to be nearly all ‘work related’ rather than spewing bitterness about the FOF and RB. Much more productive and interesting.

2. Insider - February 2, 2023

I agree, Vinnie. It gets so boring repeating over and over again what a sociopathic con man Burton is, and how the Fellowship is, and has always been, nothing more than a conduit for tasty young boys to travel or move from a foreign land to Burton’s whore house.

I say: Let’s keep focusing on “work related” topics, and keep those higher hydrogens flowing.

3. WhaleRider - February 3, 2023

If it’s sanitized “work related” posts you are after, might I suggest you hop on over to the greater fellowship blog?

Given the psychic damage that the FOF rape factory has caused and continues to cause its followers, IMO, this forum has been quite instrumental in allowing ex-members to “spew” all the toxic crap they have been ingesting and repressing…otherwise the infection will likely keep spreading.

4. Golden Veil - February 10, 2023

I’m pondering mind control this morning. Cognitive dissonance plays such a big role… one wants to believe in “The School”, “The Work”, methods to “Be Present”, a “Teacher.” In the early days of the Fellowship of Friends, the form of “The School” at the ranch included tried and true indoctrination tactics like hard labor and sleep deprivation (was this intentional, or was Robert just lucky?) And the long-time developed form of beauty immersion in oneself and surroundings: how could one feel bad about being so naive, to be a shill, when the con was so attractive, cloaked in such Beauty? Of course the quality of the Robert Burton ideals of Beauty is debatable!

I have been watching a documentary on Hulu, “Stolen Youth: Inside the Cult at Sarah Lawrence”. Though studying at a college that purported to foster independent thinking, several students were bamboozled by the father of one of them, who, like Robert, has a probable narcissistic personality disorder. The series documents Larry Ray’s misuse of a philosophical theory and how he courted, charmed and severely abused a small group of students for years. One student brought in two siblings who subsequently greatly suffered. A lead in to an article in The Cut purports to have instigated the 2022 investigation that resulted in Larry Ray’s conviction. Ray was sentenced this year on January 20th to 60 years in Federal Prison.


The authors may be interested in hearing your story.

5. WhaleRider - February 11, 2023

If you haven’t seen it already, i highly recommend the film Tár, starring Cate Blanchett, and nominated for several Oscars, including Best Picture, which the film deserves. I borrowed it from my local library.

The film challenges us to dwell in the gap between the art and the personal life of the artist and ponders…can the two sides really be separated? What does it mean to be “woke” (or more awake)?

IMO, the film also accurately depicts the trajectory of a narcissistic cult leader who uses their position of power to manipulate others in an effort to satisfy their own sexual desires by appropriating “high” culture to disguise their own ends, treating those in their orbit as faceless objects, making sure those supporting them remain in stasis, ex-communicating any who display dissent, denying any culpability for their actions by blaming their victims, and leaving a path of sadness, suicide, and destroyed lives in their wake. Sound familiar?

Blanchett’s character is only “truly at home at the podium”, her position of controlling an orchestra of others, keeping to script and score, in order to engage in an expansive fantasy world of erotic pleasure…her’s and the audience’s…while she demands, if not requires, that all eyes be upon her, not unlike a cult leader. (Although her character doesn’t need the prompting of followers to help recall and regurgitate the pithy quotes of more educated others.)

The only difference between her character and a cult leader is that her character’s employment is subject to the authority of those governing the practice of her art form and who have to manage its public persona, since the art is mostly funded by voluntary donations.

A cult and its leader thrive in the grey fringes between church and state; the leader claiming to be his or her own ultimate authority at the expense of others, eventually making “contributions” mandatory for membership, and thus circumventing any consequences for their actions, as we all know.

IMO, the film’s last scene is an apt metaphor for the current state of a FOF meeting or event. It made me laugh out loud!

6. WonderingWhosWatching - February 12, 2023

On page 193/96,
WonderingWhosWatching – January 15, 2023, reported:
“Heard it through the grapevine that yet another young man has been devastated by a sexual relationship with Robert Earl Burton, leader of the Fellowship of Friends (FoF). This person is from outside U.S.A., has parents in FoF, and they are getting counselling/therapy. The young man has told his parents to leave FoF or never hear from him again. He would travel to Oregon House/Apollo periodically. I do not know the name of the person. Anyone know more about this?”

More recent info is that the young man is the grandson of a prominent FoF member who is an actress, MM, a European, who has performed for FoF many times. She has a daughter, also MM, who at one-time was in a relationship with FoF lawyer DS (DL). Not sure who the parents of the young man are. MM, the senior, may have departed FoF over these developments. Sad but true.

So, decades of loyalty to FoF/Robert Earl Burton (REB) will not protect your family and loved ones from the sexual predation of REB! FoF one-time lawyer, AG, could testify to that, were he still alive (committed suicide), who sacrificed his only begotten son to REB.

7. Insider - February 12, 2023

6. WWW
All true. The young man’s mother is your second MM, daughter of your first MM.

Burton’s sexual/semen appetite trumps everything.

8. Insider - February 19, 2023

Here’s another video about the Fellowship of Friends and Robert Earl Burton, seemingly part of a larger, on-going series called “Rate My Cult,” by a woman named Maye:

Maye based her video, to a large extent, on the “Revelations” podcast by Jennings Brown.

The Fellowship scored 4 goat heads out of 5, something Burton will no doubt be proud of.

9. clementinelies - February 22, 2023

Where did the info that lawyer AG sacrificed his son to REB come from? What is implied by that?

10. clementinelies - February 22, 2023

What is meant by AG’s son being sacrificed? Was he prayed upon by REB?

11. Ali Mustapha - February 23, 2023

Greetings; long-time reader here. Could someone repeat the names of the Islamic teachers fairly recently named by Mr. Burton to have been Enlightened? Thank you.

12. WonderingWhosWatching - February 24, 2023

Page 194/9 & 10 clementinelies
Yes, AG’s son was sexually preyed upon by Robert Earl Burton (REB). I know this as fact personally and, also, in the history of this blog you can find AG’s son posting about that experience and the family dynamic.

13. Bares Reposting - February 24, 2023

FoF Blog Page 110 reports:
AG passed away July 31, 2011
Appeal-Democrat August 23, 2011 carried obituary.

FoF Blog Page 111 reports:
September 7, 2011 post
Funeral Service of Saturday, August 20, 2011

FoF Blog Page 112 reports:
“25. Elan MOTHERFUCKING Goldman – September 9, 2011
My name is Elan Goldman. That’s right, the son of the late Abraham Goldman. First, I would like to make it clear that my fathers suicide has been felt throughout the community. Second, that my father suffered from severe hearing dissabilities, a course which plauged him for much of his life and drove him to his death. In no way shape or form was my fathers death related to the school. Third, you are a group of people who are full of hate. I will most likley never join the school, but I know this much. It brought more happieness to my father than most people can feel in their entire lives. You should be ashamed of how you have mentioned him in this thread.

please go fuck your selves.”

FoF Blog Page 116 reports:
“74. NG – November 11, 2011
Latest news:
It seems that Elan Goldman (who allegedly made a brief appearance on this blog on September 9, 2011) has joined the FoF. He is only about 16, but apparently Robert Burton and his inner-brown-circle made an exception; after all, he is the son of Abraham.”

FoF Blog Page 119 reports:
“150. Mick Danger – April 25, 2012
Speaking of a better life, is there any word on Elan? Is he still a virgin (if that’s not too personal a question)? Technically, is he a legal sexual victim? Any grounds for a lawsuit? Or was it the usual courtshipped, sodomized, blewed & tatooed?”

That pretty much brackets the period in time on this blog when particular subject was discussed and people can read it for themselves. Others had lived it and these words are just a shadow.

14. clementinelies - February 26, 2023

WonderingWhosWatching can you link the post by AG’s son talking about being abused by REB?

15. clementinelies - February 26, 2023

Wait, is that you, David?

16. Insider - March 19, 2023

Today, March 19th, the Fellowship of Friends celebrates the biggest in a long list of scams perpetrated by Robert Burton on his naïve followers. Yes, it’s “Crystallization Day” when, 47 years ago, Burton’s “higher centers fused,” and he was born as a “Young Man Number Six.”

Besides the linear, time-bound, dualistic nature of this carefully-conceived fairy tale, which is entirely incompatible with what/who Burton claims he became (i.e. immortal and timeless), how could he have possibly known what was, supposedly, happening to him, absent a guide or teacher of his own to instruct and prepare him? (And that’s presupposing that such a “crystallization” experience is a necessary step on the path to Self-Realization, which I personally don’t believe.)

Burton’s drug use is well-documented, from LSD during the early days of the Fellowship, to copious amounts of cough syrups containing DXM in more recent years.

R0wen@ T@yl0r has often shared her “3 days in the 4th state” experience. We can all guess which drug(s) she was under the influence of. What it any different with Burton in 1976?

17. Insider - March 19, 2023

Correction: “Was it any different with Burton in 1976?”

18. John Harmer - March 20, 2023

#16 I am intrigued to hear that Burton’s drug use is well documented, you mention LSD. I had heard that the first student was tripping on mescaline when she met Burton at the new year’s eve party, and that allowed her to “see” he was special. In what sense is his LSD use documented?

19. Insider - March 20, 2023

#16. Stories from people who lived with Burton in the early days in Carmel; stories from entourage insiders over the years; a child of a FF member telling of drug purchases made by Dorian “for the Galleria.” If you’re looking for hard, irrefutable, court-ready documentation, you’re not going to find it. Just people sharing stories here and there over many years. Maybe instead of “well-documented,” I should have said “well-known.”

20. Insider - March 20, 2023

Sorry, “#16” should have been “#18.”

21. John Harmer - March 26, 2023

Thanks Insider. I guess why I was surprised is that Burton strikes me as a classic anal retentive (as Freud might say) obsessed with tidyness and complete control. There are plenty of drugs that would give him more of that, but LSD is hard to control and can result in unforeseen experiences, which I imagine he would shy away from.

22. Insider - March 26, 2023

It’s very likely that Burton’s LSD phase occurred and ended a long time ago, but not his overall drug/opioid dependency.

23. Just the Facts Ma'am - March 26, 2023

Fellowship of Friends (FoF) student number 2 (after Robert Earl Burton (REB) student number 1) was one BG, now deceased, but her daughter still lives and could testify to early days FoF/REB goings on.

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