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Fellowship Of Friends/Fourth Way School/Living Presence Discussion – Page 157 December 2, 2016

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1. Golden Veil - December 2, 2016

I agree with the views of the former Fellowship of Friends member Ames Gilbert, who wrote the following here on the blog of the Fellowship Of Friends / Fourth Way School / Living Presence Discussion on October 10, 2015:

“Hello to any seekers interested in finding out more about the Fellowship of Friends and the fraud Robert Earl Burton. Please think on the following:

Tens of thousands of people have passed through the organization in the last 44 years, and some of them were damaged, shattered for life, or even committed suicide. About 1500 or so, passive, obedient, compliant, and entranced remain. Some of them have been there for almost the entire time!

Although Burton has pronounced over the years that half a dozen would become ‘conscious’ (how the heck would he know?), most of even those recognized and marked by the self–described ‘conscious being’ have left as well. What does it say for the efficiency of Burton’s method that the culmination of all this effort and as much as $200 million in donations has produced one sorry specimen labeled ‘conscious’, that is to say, Girard Haven. The guy who recommends that followers obey Burton ‘like a dog’. The one whose idea of ‘verification’ is to take the insane Burton at his word, then desperately look for any evidence to support it. The one who has never spoken out about Burton’s abuses and rapes, or the way he has lived like an emperor at the expense of his followers decade after decade. Who has not shown not the slightest sign of independent thought or action after 42 years on the leash— this is the sole product of Burton’s “school”, which is advertised as the one and only way on earth to help one develop ‘consciousness’?

Do you really want to spend a lifetime (just a down payment, according to Burton) giving your sweat, effort, sanity and treasure to charlatans like Burton or Asaf Braverman, and their ilk? Please, do yourself a favor and look elsewhere, take our word that there is nothing there of value to any decent, thoughtful person.”

2. ion - December 2, 2016

Well, well, well…S.O.S. ? (same old shit)…..

Did/or would we question Hare Krishna’s on the High Street, giving out the Bhagavad Gita, in their funny robes. However, many of us did not question the ‘love bombing’ of fine dining (with copious amounts of wine), those cute cherubs beckoning us to higher planes in Renaissance oil paintings, those average concerts (compared to Radu Lupu playing Concerto #5 of Beethoven in the Festival Hall).

Nope – the BIG question is WHY WE did not QUESTION…..

…..ALL THE WAY ALONG THE LINE (or at least keep a diary of questions to ourselves). We can blame Burton for being a psychopathic narcissist or Haven for being a robotic uncreative mouthpiece but that will not lead us on the way to emotional separation or healing in a big way…..

“Living with integrity means: Not settling for less than what you know you deserve in your relationships. Asking for what you want and need from others. Speaking your truth, even though it might create conflict or tension. Behaving in ways that are in harmony with your personal values. Making choices based on what you believe, and not what others believe.”
― Barbara De Angelis (lovely surname, I think!!!)

“The International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), known colloquially as the Hare Krishna movement or Hare Krishnas, is a Gaudiya Vaishnava Hindu religious organisation. ISKCON was founded in 1966 in New York City by A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who is worshipped by followers as Guru and spiritual master. Its core beliefs are based on select traditional Hindu scriptures, particularly the Bhagavad-gītā and the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam. ISKCON says it is a direct descendant of Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya] The appearance of the movement and its culture come from the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition, which has had adherents in India since the late 15th century and American and European converts since the early 1900s in North America, and in England in the 1930s.

ISKCON was formed to spread the practice of bhakti yoga, in which those involved (bhaktas) dedicate their thoughts and actions towards pleasing the Supreme Lord, Krishna ISKCON today is a worldwide confederation of more than 550 centres, including 60 farm communities, some aiming for self-sufficiency, 50 schools, and 90 restaurants.[8] In recent decades the most rapid expansions in membership have been within Eastern Europe (especially since the collapse of the Soviet Union) and India”

3. ion - December 2, 2016

“Manliness consists not in bluff, bravado or loneliness. It consists in daring to do the right thing and facing consequences whether it is in matters social, political or other. It consists in deeds not words.”
― Mahatma Gandhi

4. ion - December 4, 2016

Here is a question…..and I find myself questioning the need or right to ask this question…..

Was the yearning that brought us to the FOF (and, in fact, it could be any other cult that calls itself a ‘school’, an ‘esoteric group’, ‘seekers for truth’)……………(fill in the dots)…..the fact that we were in, or on the brink of an era in our lives that was confusing, transitional or that saw us becoming part of the general melee of life. If we look back, with close scrutiny, would the word MEANING have been the one that led us through the ‘pearl tie clip’ gates of REB’s enclave and would the following saga have gone like this…..

Older student (leading prospective student meeting)…..”Yes, sweetness, you are a (?) type, with (DHSC) center of gravity and chief feature of (shrivel and obey at this one) – whatever makes the initiate wince.

Pacifying to the needs of the group and being told how well you are working on yourself (forget thinking for yourself!) becomes the norm, until one plateaus and becomes the octave leader, the center director and the world is your oyster (more pearls for Robert) – his gorging accelerates with age and availability. I wonder if he sets targets of some nature (other than. the hole between two rosy cheeks).

What disgusts us now, what we were hearing as rumour years ago and what would never been told us at our three meetings – is the chief reason FOF exists – all else is frippery, tra-la-la bullshit. Read on any cult/school/esoteric group site and you will find strange terminology, beckoning you to feel different.

Feeling different is not the same as going to the core of your being and understanding and applying its need for humanity at large.

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It’s not just in some of us; it’s in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

– Marianne Williamson –


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