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1. drahcirah - August 2, 2013

Discussion in its eighth year . Current weekly average
1783 hits .

2. WhaleRider - August 2, 2013

robertschelly:
“RB had the wireless assembled and was tuned in and transmitting, for a while.”

Thank you for your post. By all means, pound your desk and stomp your feet!

My question to you is, what exactly was the unseen “message” burton was transmitting? Even Jim Jones had a message of promised bliss that many bought into.,.one of racial equality that was ahead of his time.

Each person must decide for themselves what burton’s hidden agenda is, just like when watching Fox News, and by Allah, may each person have the strength and will to hear and see the truth behind the velvet curtain.

IMO, we all have our wireless assembled and fully functioning when we dream. Do your really need to pay for someone else’s data plan when you have free wifi every night?

Our unconscious mind transmits emotionally charged images, sounds and dialogue to us in the dream state…animated symbolic “photographs” of our inner world…that we can tune into if we so desire to really know ourselves and finally own our projections, as mature, responsible, and compassionate adults ought to.

Yes, these humbling impressions of ourselves from another dimesion of time and space are baffling to the conscious mind and ego; the key to understanding them is to accept them as parts of ourselves.

No matter how horrific, disgusting, mundane or beautific they seem, our dreams are an integral source of insight and self-empowerment…something you will never receive from following a self-serving, authoritarian guru or by following the Bill O’Reilly show. (Never trust anyone without a sense of humor!)

How could any person claim to be fully conscious if they are not present to their dreams?

For the longest time I had to work on “updating” my reaction when my girlfriend said each night, “sweet dreams”. FOF indoctrination lead me to believe wishing someone sweet dreams was a derogatory insult.

I now understand that paying attention to my dreams is the source of my spiritual virtuosity.

3. robertschelly - August 2, 2013

We could circle this forever.

WR, as you know prob better than I, there are dreams and then there are dreams; different qualities of content. I am thankful I dream. No issues there. Dreams were misunderstood, G and O completely missed that boat. A major weakness in the teaching – unless they were reserving what they truly understood. Anyways …

As you recall, FoF students attempted to mitigate RB’s behavior by urging students to look past it and to consider rather that RB was not the work, not the school. My entire point revolves around this distinction.

RB was and is and promotes a cult, an old-fashioned U.S. cult. That cult is collapsing upon itself as I type, prancing around doing Shakespeare when, imvho, they should be learning to forge lead propellants and cultivating subsistence crops (LOL, endgame theories).

I would not recommend the cult to anyone and is that not the point of this blog? We are not opposed there. But the work and the school was something very different for me. My $$ was well spent as far as I am concerned.

Good luck to those looking for instruction now, particularly in the United States. There is a phalanx of PhD’s ready to declare that the theory of further human evolution, and purported evidence of it, is pathological, grandiose, fascist, on and on and on.

There can be harmony in those trains of thought however because the path to something different, yes, higher, winds through essence and healing of essence is what the best of our healing arts do.

Best to you.

4. freeman - August 2, 2013

“My $$ was well spent as far as I am concerned.”

It sounds like you’re not concerned about where your money was spent.

Your money supported a sociopath. What you gained by spending the money was a trance state — an illusion of being special and different and better than others — and apparently you’re still bathed in the afterglow.

It’s no different in other cults. And nothing has changed in this cult. You were foolish back in the 1970s or 1980s or 1990s or whenever it was that you were a member. I was foolish when I was a member, and the remaining members are foolish. That doesn’t mean people don’t glean something out of the experience, or that G.’s and O.’s ideas were useless. But throughout it all, I never once asked myself, “How is the money being spent?”

It’s a question that was deemed off-limits, and that supposedly showed a bad attitude, etc. But it’s one of the crucial questions that connects with conscience.

G. was absolute right that a person’s attitude about money reveals their character — not quite the way he intended, but he was right all the same.

Not everyone participated in the scam, and not everyone was a direct victim, but the money provided to this man helped to support the pain and suffering of others.

5. Ames Gilbert - August 3, 2013

In Orwell’s book, “1984”, one of the Inside Party members explains the full control ideology to Winston Smith:

The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others were cowards and hypocrites. They never had the courage to recognize their motives. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. How does one man assert his power over another? By making him suffer. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.In our world, there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement – a world of fear and treachery and torment. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.

This is the primary reason why, IMO, he chooses heterosexual males to subdue. As a bonus, he gets revenge on the women who are so unfortunate to be partners to his victims. And, followers must normalize this, and thus make themselves accomplices to the rapes and abuse, or leave with curses on their heads. Win, win, win.
Add to this the several mental illnesses he exhibits: malignant narcissism, satyriasis, addiction to various drugs, delusions of grandeur. And it is very important to notice the absence of conscience, hence no consciousness.

He does have something going, no doubt. A complete conviction that what he says is the truth, and a complete conviction that he is special. This certainty, coupled with a kind of ‘charisma’ is very persuasive to people like me who have many doubts and little certainty, and are looking for answers.
In return for the certainty he injects into their lives, his followers are willing to overlook his many glaring faults, including the failed prophecies (that were central to proving his connection to higher powers) and to giving a purpose to his organization (beyond worshipping him), and—supreme irony—the example of utter mechanicality of a life spent in helpless slavery to his desires.

6. brucelevy - August 3, 2013

5. Ames Gilbert

Thanks Ames.

7. Mick - August 3, 2013

It’s pretty hard to determine what another person’s convictions are and even more difficult to know whether or not they have any basis in reality. Burton seems to exhibit the traits of a paranoid recluse to me, but that’s understandable and based on the fact that many who have met him are thoroughly disgusted and not at all taken in by the charade.

8. Tim Campion - August 3, 2013

On the Fellowship’s “Art in Time network,” Asaf Braverman and Brian Flynn team up to bring us this mystical hocus-pocus:

9. silentpurr - August 3, 2013

..and to think that each of us contributed to the delusion, though today, some do it complacently and with ‘intention’ .

10. brucelevy - August 3, 2013

8. Tim Campion

Hocus-pocus gives that clip too much credit.

11. Tim Campion - August 3, 2013

Bruce,

I just can’t think of a more fitting term. But I’ll bet you can…

12. Tempus Fugit - August 4, 2013

INDEX TO THE BLOG

Animam Recro – Fellowship of Friends – a cult for intellectuals, and Fellowship of Friends Discussion
Part 1 through Part 10

http://animamrecro.wordpress.com/2006/04/16/fellowship-of-friends-a-cult-for-intellectuals/

The Fellowship of Friends Discussion – Free speech is a dirty business
Part 11 through Part 33

http://fellowshipoffriends.wordpress.com/

Fellowship Of Friends/Fourth Way School/Living Presence Discussion
Part 34 through the current page

https://fofdiscussion.wordpress.com/

These links will allow you to access every page of this blog from its beginning in 2006.

Read with an open mind and you will find out the truth about Robert Burton and the Fellowship of Friends.

And if you are a member of the Fellowship of Friends you may find your path to freedom.

13. Tempus Fugit - August 4, 2013

One recurrent theme on the blog and part of the recent discussion is whether or not Burton actually had some kind of “enlightenment” and then lost it, or “crystallized” wrong, or something.

I’ve appreciated the comments by all of you on this topic and others. On this point, however, I think brucelevy said it simplest and clearest:

“202. brucelevy – July 30, 2013

It’s understandable that in an environment like the FOF the intrinsic and inate “intution” and charm of a psychopathic personality can easily be minconstrued as a higher state.”

I’ve held various opinions over the years on Burton’s mental state, but now I believe he has never had anything but a good act.

When I first joined the FOF and met Burton he was just what I thought a western guru would be like – tall, commanding, and able to produce that “World 6” Sphinx-like gaze as needed.

I don’t think when I met the group I had any special vulnerability to sociopathy but I also was naive about it and lacked the wisdom to detect it and the assertiveness to confront it. These are the weaknesses of an immature young man who was also a sincere spiritual seeker.

The awe and adoration of those around Burton also enhanced the impression that this was a man of stature and importance. If you’ve ever been close to a popular politician it’s the same energy. He/she is the center of attention and conversation. Everyone wants to be close to them, be seen with them, and have their favor.

Burton often led or co-led meetings in those days, and had a way of intoning his “angles of thought” that made anything he said seem profound and believable. Throw in a few of those “World 6” looks and nonsense like “there are so many angels in the room I feel too humble to teach” sounded profound instead of just delusional.

Add to that promises of heaven, prophecies of doom, and a shameless ability to lie and I don’t think I had much chance to see through his imposture.

Burton’s dishonesty about his sex life was there all along, and in itself is enough to make the lie to any other claim of spiritual advancement.

I was around Burton at meetings and other FOF events frequently, and spoke with him privately as well. There was no indication he was in any kind of intimate relationship with anyone – in other words, all his sexual behavior was in secret.

He told all of us, and I heard him say with my own ears, that he was “celibate” and was using his sex energy to develop his “higher emotional center.” In support of this he quoted the writings of Ouspensky on levels of energy and noted that the “sex center” and the “higher emotional center” both used the energy of “World 12.”

I THOUGHT BURTON HAD YOUNG MEN AROUND HIM ALL THE TIME TO AVOID THE TEMPTATION OF WOMEN.

I assumed that Burton was a “normal” heterosexual man like myself who found women enormously attractive, and his celibacy thus reflected tremendous and impressive willpower which in turn added to my conviction he had some advanced mental development.

Homosexuality never even crossed my mind. When I joined the FOF I had not even met any homosexuals (at least not any that were “out”). And, as others have noted, Burton actively preached against homosexuality and homosexual sexual behaviors.

(Here I want to note that in the FOF I met some fine gay men. I bet these guys saw right through Burton.)

So Burton was a sham from the get go, always has been, and nothing has changed. As I’ve said before, in my opinion there are few crimes as heinous as taking advantage of others’ honest spiritual aspirations for cheap sexual gratification and money.

So way is it so hard to accept the truth even when we have clear evidence of it?

Because we have to admit we were wrong, that we were fooled, that we wasted time, youth, and money on a charlatan. In my case, a decade of my life.

So we try to soften the pain with rationalizations, at least that’s what I did. And it took years to work through them.

Right after I left the FOF I still thought Burton was enlightened and I had failed HIM. Then when I met with Stella Wirk and others and first heard the truth I thought, well, Burton must have had SOMETHING and then lost it – after all I’m not THAT stupid.

Then it was, okay, maybe he fooled me but the GROUP was still special and significant even if Burton had lost his way. Or, after all, the “SYSTEM” was still real and true and I had gained from following it, right?

On and on and on, but no rationalization could hide the truth, and eventually I had to accept it to gain my freedom. I had been tricked and used, but I had escaped, and maybe you can escape too. The door that opens into the free world is right there in front of you, and honesty is the key that unlocks it.

14. Tim Campion - August 4, 2013

12. Tempus Fugit

“The awe and adoration of those around Burton also enhanced the impression that this was a man of stature and importance.”

Absolutely.

Your experience very much reflects my own. Thanks for articulating it so well.

15. Fee fi fo fum - August 4, 2013

12. Tempus Fugit

Thanks for sharing those insights.

16. WhaleRider - August 4, 2013

Tempus Fugit:
Awesome post! Thank you so much for sharing your personal story. It was very revealing of how a follower sees only what they want to see in the guru, like the idea that the celibate burton surrounds himself with young men as protection from being seduced by women…quite the ploy by burton.

Re: psychopathic charm mistaken as higher state, I’d like to pursue that thought a bit further.

Just to be clear, charm is charm, it is not a “higher state” and has little to do with “level of being”.

If burton was a successful sociopathic stock broker like Bernie Madoff driving a fancy car while operating a Ponzi scheme, a victim would be lead into believing his charm and confidence meant that he must also have incredible insight, amazing intuition, or special power, too, otherwise, how else could he be so successful?

The truth is, the successful sociopath is simply manipulating and exploiting his victims by their own weaknesses, in this case, greed.

As new followers we’re constantly told burton is in a “higher state” and we are not. Over time, we are indoctrinated into mistrusting ourselves and minimizing our own consciousness. We looked to him to show us what a so-called “higher state” is…the far off, “other-worldly” gaze of a detached trance state.

While his followers are busy gazing off, this enables burton to mask his psychopathic behavior as the “crazy wisdom” of a person in an “advanced level of consciousness”.

So what are the follower’s weaknesses that the guru is exploiting?

For me, it was the belief that I was gifted, special, and somehow unlike everyone else. burton used my weakness to make me one of his “special few”, with a special role…that I had to pay for with my dignity, conscience…and semen.

The fact is, everyone has peak experiences, whether that is attending a Justin Bieber concert as a teenage girl or feeling the power of Iguazu Falls or watching ones’s team win the champoinship or viewing the pyramids of Chichen Itza or having a baby or witnessing a loved one pass over.

Who are we to place our peak experience above another’s?

IMO, for mature, compassionate adults even despair can be looked back upon as a peak experience, otherwise our drive to chase peak experiences as a “higher state” can be corrupted into exploiting others for our own selfish ends, as the successful sociopath/psychopath does in a cult like the FOF, totally disregarding The Golden Rule…and as Braverman does in his web of web sites.

17. Ames Gilbert - August 4, 2013

Tempus Fugit (#138-12 or thereabouts),
thanks for your all your thoughts, I appreciate your clarity.
In your last post, you said, “Here I want to note that in the FOF I met some fine gay men. I bet these guys saw right through Burton.”

I know some of them did, I asked them. And, a gay person wrote specifically about his experiences with Burton and the Fellowship in his blog, and I excerpted a few paragraphs from his blog (which I also provided a link to), here:
http://goo.gl/F4P1ua

The only point I’d argue with is when he mentions Burton’s connection to the Divine Feminine. I’d say Burton has pretty much throttled that connection, which is why he has no compassion or empathy and cannot experience any kind of love, except the pale imitation/reflection known as narcissism.

18. Wouldnt You Like To Know - August 4, 2013

5. Ames Gilbert
Thanks for that.

12. Tempus Fugit:
‘The door that opens
into the free world
is right there
in front of you,
and honesty
is the key that unlocks it.’

The breezes at dawn

Have secrets to tell

Don’t go back to sleep

You must ask for what you really want

Don’t go back to sleep

People are going back and forth

Across the threshold

Where the two worlds touch

The door is round and open

Don’t go back to sleep

~Rumi

No need to even unlock the door!

19. Wondering Who’s Watching - August 5, 2013

12. Tempus Fugit:
‘He told all of us, and I heard him say with my own ears, that he was “celibate” and was using his sex energy to develop his “higher emotional center.” In support of this he quoted the writings of Ouspensky on levels of energy and noted that the “sex center” and the “higher emotional center” both used the energy of “World 12.”’

So, knowing full well the role that this rarefied substance (H12) has in the individual organism of a human being and, also, its role in a community or an organization, why would Robert Earl Burton be sucking it out of many of his (male heterosexual) followers, and why would the whole body of the Fellowship of Friends condone it? Is it any wonder why the organization has, or does not have, success?

To be perfectly clear here, being totally celibate is not necessarily the answer, too. That is at the opposite end of a dualistic conceptualization. Case in point: Shakers

Shakers:
‘The United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing, known as the Shakers, is a religious sect. Founded upon the teachings of Ann Lee, Shakers today are mostly known for their cultural contributions (especially their style of music and furniture), and their model of equality of the sexes, which they institutionalized in their society in the 1780s.

The Shakers were one of a few religious groups that formed in eighteenth-century England, and which branched off mainstream Protestantism. New communities of “charismatic” Christians also took shape during this time. One of the most important of these new movements was the United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing (USBCSA), or the Shakers. While their monastic, communitarian life has been studied extensively, little attention has been given to Shaker preaching, particularly in the early days of the order. The first members of the group were known as “Shaking Quakers” because of the ecstatic nature of their worship services. . .

Ann Lee joined them by 1758 and soon assumed leadership of the small community. The loss of four children in infancy created great trauma for “Mother Ann,” as her followers later called her. She claimed numerous revelations regarding the fall of Adam and Eve and its relationship to sexual intercourse. She had become the “Mother of the new creation,” who called her followers to confess their sins, give up all their worldly goods, and take up the cross of celibacy. . .

Strict believers in celibacy, Shakers acquired their members through conversion, indenturing children, and adoption of orphans. . .

. . . the group reached maximum size of about 5,000 full members in 1840, but as of December 2009 had only three members left.’

Read more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

From Ken Burns’ Hands to Work, Hearts to God film page on PBS:

‘The Shakers were ordinary people who chose to give up their families, property, and worldly ties in order “to know, by daily experience, the peaceable nature of Christ’s kingdom.” In return, they were welcomed into “holy families” where men and women lived as brother and sister, where all property was held in common, and where each participated in the rigorous daily task of transforming the earth into heaven.’

Also see:
Shaker Village – May 2011 (4:44, 590 views) video linked to by clicking on my name above.

Pretty much entirely abandoned; is this the destiny of The Fellowship of Friends compound in Oregon House, California? – like a fossil sea shell found on the forlorn beach of the pursuit of consciousness (at any expense) – failed, due to lack of conscience.

20. Wondering Who’s Watching - August 5, 2013

Here is another video:
The Last of the Shakers (3:34, 25,760 views):

21. WhaleRider - August 7, 2013

From Brian Flynn’s video:

“A crown is reserved exclusively for the royal head. It separates the human from the divine at the point of third eye. Encrusted with precious gems, the silver crown rules over the femine intuitive powers, which support the great serpent in the sky. Allow these symbolic forms to penetrate the deeper realms of consciousness within your self, where these sacred messages can be recognized and understood.”

The idea that divine consciousness (male?) can ultimately rule over human, intuitive, feminine (snake?) power seems in stark contrast with the beliefs of later Alchemists, who thought that refinement occurs as a result of a commingling of the male and female sides in a more balanced manner as symbolized by the hermaphrodite.

In fact, there are many examples of Egyptian statuary where the male and female figures are either standing or sitting and are of equal height, suggestive of equality in power and influence between the sexes in ancient Egyptian culture.

IMO, when you strip away Flynn’s theatrics, the underlying confirmation bias shines through. This is the beauty of art, it is a mirror for the psyche.

To his credit, I found it interesting to note that the modern Egyptian flag contains the three colors of Alchemy, red, white and black. Of course, so do the flags of Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and formerly Libya, and these colors were chosen for reasons that have nothing to do with Alchemy…a fine example of Flynn’s magical thinking.

I was also struck by the similarity in Flynn’s vocal tone and tempo with Eckhart Tolle’s “Power of the Now” recordings…a coincidence?

As a side note, the reason granite is slightly radioactive, is because of the presence of small amounts of uranium, and therefore has nothing to do with the stone itself having “mystical properties”, as Flynn suggests in his first video. Some scientists even believe large quantities of granite to be a health concern. (~Wikipedia)

22. ton2u - August 9, 2013

tim @ 8 re: that youtube link to the a braverman / b flynn project titled “spiritual vision III” — I thought it fitting that the only comment there seems to be questioning the sanity / wellness of these two buffoons:

“hi brian, joseph sheehan here. “every stone, every mineral expresses a different aspect of truth…vibrates at a different frequency…the stone itself is conveying the energetic message to you…the stone is holding the energy for you…because the energy is embodied in the stone itself, it cannot be destroyed…by man or by nature” has got to be one of the most comical parts of your video. i hope you’re well, but it looks like you’ve created quite a fantasy world for yourself.”

23. WhaleRider - August 14, 2013

The scary part of mr Flynn’s antics for me has to do with his middle eastern masquerade of teaching others what to “see” in art through his unique, exculsive, cult-a-scope lens…in addition to the queer disconnect of experimenting with idolatry and paganism in a predominately monotheistic Muslim culture, some of whom are quite intolerant of westerners corrupting and violating the minds and bodies of their youth.

Cairo has been a center for schools of advanced learning and discourse for centuries, why not end his movie there?

How smart is that in the long run, really, worshiping stones? Where’s the innovation? No wonder flynn mostly hung out in Luxor making Hannou happy.

Idolatry and polytheism didn’t last for the Monarchistic inbred Egyptians, or their ardent followers either. Most of the locals eventually moved on spiritually and converted to Islam, with only one God even joe plumber could connect to and a more egalitarian society…where charity is a virtue, not a sign of weakness as in burtons clan…a society that strives to help the poor, weak, old, orphaned, and disenfranchised…instead of working to ensnare and enslave young vulnerable men and women in burtons gay sex harem cult. Where’s the virtue in that?

You have to ask yourself, what is Flynn actually offering in that context, sitting there so blithely in his tunic disguise upon a bed of radioactive granite by the headwaters of denial?

IMO…A chance to take part in a glassy eyed, fool’s paradise…where the wine flows like water…that also happens to be a rape factory run by a psychopath who likes to drink.

Thanks for the youtube review, ton, now I get why in the FOF you’re supposed to hide your thumbs.

No voting rights.

24. Mick - August 14, 2013

Oh, so that’s why they have their thumbs up their asses and Burton (being advanced) gets a whole fist or two.

25. idanevasayneva - August 14, 2013

“Sort of” Re 13 Tempus Fugit # 13 and “sort of” re what worked for Robert.

In hindsight given the financial burden of membership to those of a middling income (rather ironic that those of v low or zero income or those of high income- this may not be a factor), tedium of the presentation, Wizard of Oz operational structure and opacity of his personal conduct it seems surprising that RB & FOF worked so long for me, other people and continues to work for some.

Is it because he has “something”?
like “consciousness”….whatever that is?
well whatever that is.

But one thing I think he does have is clarity of message and 0% doubt in presentation. He is absolutely sure that he is right and that FOF is right and humanity is wrong. And as a plus, he removes uncertainty in one area which we can have a lot of uncertainty about – the future. We don’t know what is going to happen in 10 years, one year, next month to us, our loved ones. The only thing we know is that there will be change of some form or other. But Robert fairly frequently used to state (at least while I was a member) that he did know what was going to happen to each of us and to FOF and it was good, pretty rosy. And he also knew what was going to happen to the rest of the world, -not so good.

It seems simplistic but there is an appeal to being in the camp that knows what is going to happen as opposed to the camp that pretty much does not know what is going to happen.

Going back to his having one idea and sticking with it, he is sort of a “hedgehog”as opposed to a “fox” as per Isiah Berlin’s black and white division of the worlds thinker and writers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hedgehog_and_the_Fox

I read a book (http://www.amazon.com/Future-Babble-Pundits-Hedgehogs-Foxes/dp/B00AK2UTH2) that said that in general when an expert is required on TV to give their opinion on for example the financial crisis, or terrorism, and in particular to speculate or predict the future, inevitably the people who are listened to are “hedgehogs”- people who have one central idea that they frame everything through, and fit all the facts around that and then make predictions based on that. As opposed to foxes who know many different things and do not believe that the world and its variety and uncertainty can be boiled down to one central conclusion. The same book claimed and provided some evidence that at least in the area of financial prediction that foxes were far more likely to be correct in their predictions than hedgehogs but even when the facts clearly showed that, people preferred to listen and follow hedgehogs rather than foxes.

Anyway in the world of alternate spiritual/religious groups varying from mainstream to cults, it is probably works better to be a hedgehog rather than a fox for the individual/individuals at the helm.

26. ton2u - August 14, 2013

re: aside from a simple and easy ‘mind control’ technique — “why in the fof you’re supposed to hide your thumbs” —

“This digital underdog is arguably the most influential component in the advancement of mankind. I even feel comfortable enough with the physical, symbolic, and communicatory power of the thumb to say that it’s the single most influential component in humans’ surpassing of apes on the societal scale. Not convinced? Try immobilizing your thumbs for twenty minutes (just twenty minutes, mind you – not for the three million years that the thumb has had to make its mark). Go about your normal business (writing, preparing food, caring for children, bathing, driving, etc.), thumb-less, for those twenty, long, excruciating minutes, and then ask yourself, “Where would humankind be today without fully mobile thumbs?” And against the advice of most good communications experts, I would answer your question with a question of my own: “Would humankind even exist?….

“It not only held mythical powers, but was used to communicate sentiments and as collateral against bad behavior. Julius Caesar made a name for himself by collected a few thumbs for himself. Prisoners’ thumbs were amputated so they could no longer bear arms after their releases. This tradition was carried on in other wars and was also utilized to punish escapee slaves in the West. Caesar saw the value of the thumb. He could have chosen to pluck out eyes or cut off toes, but instead, he stripped one of man’s most powerful assets. He was wise enough to see that the thumb is the Achilles’ heel of the hand – invaluable in the having, utterly destructive in its absence.”

http://www.bodylanguageuniversity.com/public/224.cfm

27. WhaleRider - August 16, 2013

28. Ronald Lancaster - August 16, 2013

I was in the FOF from ’75 to ’84. I left the L. A, Center with my wife Barbara when we heard the extent of Robert’s activities. I had almost no contact with him anyway, besides I felt I graduated. I had learned as much as I could learn in the organization. The rest was up to me. Reading these and other posts I see mostly bitterness at Robert’s outrages. I agree, the stuff he has gotten away with is evil, but I don’t and didn’t give it much thought after my departure. He has to meet his maker same as everyone else. I’ll let his demons lead him away. In the meantime, almost 30 years now, I never left the Work and practice and study it as much as ever. Those early days when I was bowled over by Ouspensky’s writings are still with me. It is still beautiful. I see from the posts that I am about the only one keeping to the System. Everyone else seems to have modified it to suit their whims or rejected it altogether. I remember Gurdjieff saying somewhere that the System was only here for a time, and I guess that time is past, but for me. I read Nicoll everyday and work on self-remembering, self-observation, and avoiding negative emotions as best as I can. I would be interested in others who would like to do the same, who do not think the 4th Way is Robert Burton. He was a key that opened a world to me, but if he didn’t do his own work and fed off of others, that is his problem.
I live in Tucson Arizona and I still have a brother, William, and sister in law, Lorraine, and their daughter, in the Fellowship. I hear Williiam just resigned as the CFO of the FOF. We don’t discuss the Fellowship.
Yours, R

29. Tim Campion - August 17, 2013

Hi, Ronald.

Wasn’t it Barbara who kicked this whole thing off with Comment #1 on June 24, 2006?

You might want to check out the Greater Fellowship website. There you can find a number of stimulating conversations on the subjects you mention. (And it’s free!)

30. freeman - August 17, 2013

“Reading these and other posts I see mostly bitterness at Robert’s outrages.”

I don’t get that impression. I think the tone of the conversation sometimes tails off into odd directions that may distract readers and participants from the more thoughtful posts. But suggesting you “see mostly bitterness” sounds like one of those so-called photographs of “negativity” that we’re familiar with from our time in the cult. Rather than bitterness, I see arguments, criticism, questioning, and dissenting points of view — which is a healthy part of human interaction that’s woefully absent in the Fellowship. I think many people saw these pages as an island of sanity from that.

The blog has been valuable for the most part in shedding light on what’s occurring in the FOF, and exposing what’s mostly been left unspoken. It’s occasionally been a little weird, but overall this conversation has been an eye opener for me, and I think for many others. Many people are writing their thoughts here (and in the Greater Fellowship site) because they want to tell their stories and present a warning to those who might be interested in joining this cult, and to caution anyone who believes there may be something of value there.

About the Fourth Way, I respect your view that you’re receiving something of value with it. I probably did, too, and continue to, although I’m less convinced that the most valuable concepts that I learned in the FOF were somehow unavailable to me anywhere else. I see many of the ideas in the Fourth Way as beliefs, just like the beliefs in other religious points of view. By adding scientific sounding terms to my sentences, I might believe I’m articulating scientific ideas (i.e., that I’ve “verified”). But that’s one area where many religions are a thousand steps beyond the FOF — many people who hold religious views at least know that what they believe is a belief.

I’ve always felt there was something strange about the idea of verification. Maybe even dangerous when despots use the idea for their nefarious aims. But mainly, we lose a sense of mystery about the universe that’s essential for learning and discovery — both self discovery, discovery about those around us, and discovery about the world around us.

31. Wouldnt You Like To Know - August 17, 2013

23. WhaleRider
‘in addition to the queer disconnect of experimenting with idolatry and paganism in a predominately monotheistic Muslim culture, some of whom are quite intolerant of westerners corrupting and violating the minds and bodies of their youth.’

The last information that I have is that the Fellowship of Friends (FoF) activity in Egypt is not allowed to function as a religion (as it does in the United States of America), but must exist by other means. So, given that, it is presenting itself as an educational organization (and/or possibly other shape shifting identity). Arts educational organization is one such guise. ‘mr Flynn’ is one such person for this possibly having some standing in the Arts field; curator at FoF museum/home of Robert Earl Burton (REB) in Oregon House, CA. It might even be something like: American Center for the Study of Egyptian Antiquities?

This is not as unusual as you might think. Example: Certain eastern organizations, that do not see themselves as religious organizations in their countries/societies of origin and see themselves as philosophical ‘ways’ of living,
like Buddhism might be, must adopt religious organization status in United States of America.

Also, FoF/REB, or some significant member(s) of FoF owns property in Egypt which is one possible refuge for REB in case he should be found criminal in United States of America. He was? not allowed to travel to certain countries in Europe at one time. Another refuge country is México.

‘Idolatry and polytheism didn’t last for the Monarchistic inbred Egyptians, or their ardent followers either. Most of the locals eventually moved on spiritually and converted to Islam, with only one God even joe plumber could connect to and a more egalitarian society…where charity is a virtue, not a sign of weakness as in burtons clan…a society that strives to help the poor, weak, old, orphaned, and disenfranchised…instead of working to ensnare and enslave young vulnerable men and women in burtons gay sex harem cult. Where’s the virtue in that?’

In FoF:
The poor get poorer; except REB.
The weak get weaker.
The old die unwanted.
It has created the orphaned.
Promoted the undesired abortion of
the unborn children in some of
its women membership.
Disenfranchises former members by
shunning them and devalues persons
that are not its members.
¡Those are its virtues!

32. ton2u - August 18, 2013

Ronald Lancaster @ 28: re: Burton you write “….if he didn’t do his own work and fed off of others, that is his problem.”

There’s an issue here Ronald which you seem to be ignoring — Burton’s life-long malignant narcissism leads to parasitic activity which is most definitely not “his problem” alone. Indeed, other people are affected by his actions; others are in fact acted upon, influenced, changed emotionally, psychologically and otherwise infected and attacked, as by disease. You see Ronald, this attitude you represent here of ignoring or dismissing the problem is also part of the problem.

33. Tempus Fugit - August 19, 2013

I read Ronald’s post above with interest:
28. Ronald Lancaster – August 16, 2013

Unless I have evidence someone is lying I try to take their statements here as honest expressions of who they are and what they experienced, even when that experience is different from my own.

So following from that attitude I’m happy for Ronald, who says he got something valuable from his time in the FOF.

At the same time and without contradiction I also agree with ton2u:
32. ton2u – August 18, 2013

Ronald, based only on what little you’ve said so far your attitude does seem somewhat naive and perhaps insensitive. If you were in the group all those years you must know at least some people who were personally harmed by Burton. Does their suffering not concern you?

And for that matter what about the suffering of Burton?

You say:
“I agree, the stuff he has gotten away with is evil, but I don’t and didn’t give it much thought after my departure. He has to meet his maker same as everyone else. I’ll let his demons lead him away.”

In my opinion Robert Burton is mentally ill. A long time ago he was just an innocent little boy whose life experiences and choices replaced his innocence with selfishness and sadism.

There are no demons. Demons are metaphors for sickness we can’t understand. Burton is just a human being like you and I. We can’t blame him for being ill even though we can hold him responsible for his behavior. We can have compassion for those he has hurt and even for the little boy he once was.

And we can take appropriate steps to protect ourselves and try to warn others – like your family members who are still at risk.

34. freeman - August 19, 2013

32. ton and 33. tempus fugit

I think your comments get to the heart of the matter:

On the one hand, a person may have the belief that the FOF provides something of value that’s so unique that it could not have been found elsewhere (i.e. without a “school”, or without a “teacher,” etc.).

On the other hand, that person may also be aware that the FOF’s leader is mentally ill, is malevolent in his intentions, and is causing suffering to a large number of people.

This is a painful contradiction to acknowledge. The easiest way to deal with it is to keep the two separate, and to maintain the stance that they have no effect on each other. (In other words, the leader can be corrupt, but that’s not my concern because that’s his karma, and because the FOF is, or was, still valuable to me.)

However, I think it’s important to draw the connection between the two to thoroughly wake up from the FOF trance:

The more you question your belief that the FOF provides something of value, the easier it is to see the harm that it’s leader is doing. The more you see the harm that he’s doing, the more likely you are to question your belief that the FOF provides something of value — and especially something of value that you cannot find somewhere else.

I do think I learned something in the FOF. It wasn’t “all bad.” But as the years pass, I’m questioning more and more this meme (which we were taught in the FOF) that I could never have found it elsewhere — that the world is a vast wasteland filled with sleeping machines who have nothing to offer me, and no experiences of any spiritual value.

The more I explore the world beyond the confines of the cult, the more I question this notion that it was anything special, unique, or beneficial in any way.

35. Someone - August 19, 2013

31. Wouldnt You Like To Know

There was room for legal actions in 2006/7.

As time passes by, the odds of legal actions taken against REB are (unfortunately) getting very slim. I think that by now this direction has become obsolete. Therefore all talks about refuge options are based on mere wishful thinking.

Just for the sake of the argument, facing the on-going extremely violent events in Egypt, it wouldn’t make any sense for REB to consider Egypt as a refuge resort.

It is also unfortunate that the FoF are still occupying the minds of 10-20 ex-member’s.

I have been in OH for many many years and I can spot 2-3 casual thoughts on the FoF a year.

I went on with my life and left the FoF behind.

36. ton2u - August 19, 2013

“Someone” 35:

“It is also unfortunate that the FoF are still occupying the minds of 10-20 ex-member’s. I have been in OH for many many years and I can spot 2-3 casual thoughts on the FoF a year. I went on with my life and left the FoF behind.”

But “Someone,” you’re still here and posting… and thanks for your input. Look, every person’s experience is unique, or at very least, slightly different than that of another person… you have to recognize and respect that fact… and I’m happy for you if you feel so very free of the FOF. I too went on with life when I left the FOF — AND (as it turns out), that experience is part of my biography, I can’t deny it, like it or not.

I suppose you could have said more accurately in your characterization above, at least in my case when I am reading or posting here at this site, during that time I am occupied with issues that may be related to the FOF.

I think (at least in my case) you mis-characterize the situation… if I post something here, to me it’s not “unfortunate” as you say, I do think this condescending attitude you express is “unfortunate.” I sometimes read and respond here because there is a place in my soul where experience lives but that’s not different than the myriad of other memories and experiences from the past that form my personal biography. Otherwise I have a very rich and full life in the present which is (to use your phrase), “occupying” my mind.

If the “10-20 ex-members” continuing to post here can deter just one “prospective student” or help just one current “student” to leave the cult, then I consider it worth the few minutes a week that I “occupy” myself here. I think in that respect alone it’s worthwhile to continue contributing current postings to maintain site activity…. keep on chirping !

37. Mick - August 19, 2013

On behalf of the entire membership of the Fellowship of Friends, the Board of Directors would like to express their gratitude to the entire community and beyond for their casual indifference and support.

Ron lancaster - August 19, 2013

Robert Burton sure has cast a long shadow. People are talking and talking about him many years after their last sighting of him. Reading these posts has made me start thinking about Robert again too after at least a 25 year hiatus. My wife and I used to be in the forefront of informing the world about his dirty deeds. We spoke and wrote about him for the Cult Awareness Network and the Commission on Cults at the Jewish Community Center. We were on CBS and quoted in many National Magazines about the Fellowship and cults in general. I eventually got tired of all that stuff. I see some folks are still worrying about it, maybe they will even after he expires and gets his warm welcome. I divorced from Burton but not that beautiful system that Gurdjieff brought back from the wilds of Central Asia. Even the FOF has dropped the 4th Way. They dont have prospective meetings and certainly dont teach the system as we used to in the old days. I dont care. Im saving it. It is a wonderful way to live. Shunning negative emotion is great, and letting Robert go in the best way to start. Yours, -Ronald Lancaster from Tucson

On 8/18/13 7:51 AM, “Fellowship of Friends – Living Presence Discussion” wrote:

> ton2u commented: “Ronald Lancaster @ 28: re: Burton you write “.if he didnt > do his own work and fed off of others, that is his problem.” There’s an issue > here Ronald which you seem to be ignoring — Burton’s life-long malignant > narcissism leads to parasitic activ” >

38. Tim Campion - August 19, 2013

Ron,

You and Barbara, Stella and Harold, Samuel S., Thomas E. and others might be seen as “pioneers” that led the way for this blog and other websites that expose Robert Burton and The Fellowship of Friends. Before he launched this blog, Pavel (aka “the Esoteric Sheik of Inner Confusion”) researched The Fellowship on-line and came across the accounts others had left, perhaps yours among them. You have put in your time.

We often talk here of the past, but just as often of the present. More than ever, the current Fellowship of Friends is an opportunistic creature. If you’ve been disconnected from the topic for awhile, you may be amazed how “all-encompassing” the cult has become. They appear to be trying anything that might serve to draw new members (and desperately-needed funding.) And where it aids recruitment, they have certainly not abandoned Gurdjieff and Ouspensky.

See: http://robertearlburton.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-fellowship-of-friendsfourth.html

39. Someone - August 19, 2013

36. ton2u

Last time I was visiting this Blog was at least a year ago, leaving one or two posts.

I made this short entry now to remind the active guys here that they do not have to carry the FoF on their back anymore.

It is over.

The FoF is not bigger in size now than it was 6 years ago. REB is an old man now and probably less active than he was 25 years ago.

Evereything that has been said about the FoF appears on Google search. There is no point in staying in that mind captivity for so many years.

40. Tracey Ash - August 19, 2013

Lies, deceit, control: an outsider’s Fellowship of Friends experience,
2011 – 2013

I have never been a member of the Fellowship of Friends. For twenty years exploring spirituality, I have never encountered a cult, so it was alien to my spirituality experiences when the Fellowship took an interest in me and especially in my spiritual work. This cult interest – I only discovered in July 2013. Here is the story.

In July 2011, I was with clients, on a crop circle field visit to a tiny village near Alton Barnes, in the UK. That day I was working with my friend, a Brazilian crop circle investigator and a group of clients from London. We were working with transformation and meditation at the site. It was midday, there were rain storms, so the site was ours. As we moved into our final crop circle, we noticed a woman watching us. Wiltshire is ‘super-safe’ – our spiritual community ‘super-friendly’ in that area. Crop circles, the serpent temples of Avebury and Stonehenge, Glastonbury, all attract spiritual explorers, so conversations are spontaneous. It was a very easy setting for Lynne Sanders (of the Fellowship of Friends) to make contact without any suspicion.

We spoke in depth about my work and Sanders promised to introduce me to someone in Luxor, who would simply be a spiritual contact to add to my network. (I have friends and contacts worldwide, so such a suggestion is not unusual.) Sanders handed out her business cards to the group and invited us to visit her French restaurant in Crouch End, London. Subsequently, Lynne put me in contact with Brian Flynn from Northumberland, UK. (I would later learn that she is very close to Brian Flynn, also a Fellowship of Friends member, and that they are working together, developing the cult’s international operations.)

A bald, tiny-framed man, I became great friends with Brian. (He may also use the name Mohammad. He dresses in galabaya – traditional Sufi robes – yes he does think he is Gurdjieff!) Brian’s house is in Ramla, West Bank, Luxor. I visit Egypt with clients up to four times a year, and eventually his house became a social base for my Egypt Tour visits, with my clients in the hotel only minutes away.

By Summer 2012, Flynn and I had become good friends. At least, I saw him as a close friend. We spoke little of our pasts. This is a cult technique. Here is some history. Flynn spoke of changing his name from Christopher, claimed he is a Sufi shayek and recognised as a holy man in Luxor by the community. He also claimed we would heal each other. We were in regular contact over many months and when my groups visited Luxor, Brian and Sayed, his Egyptian cleaner/assistant, created evening events as his home or organised day trips including meditations to help give me some time during my tours. (I can be very busy organising activities and clients). I thought nothing of Flynn’s offers as this is
exactly what a spiritual community does – we offer each other help. This is where blind spots are fully exploited by Flynn, whether in the massive energy of meditation and transformation at sacred site visits or in post-Tour activities. The group feels safe, has to feel safe, so fear is dissolved. It is a perfect opportunity for cult members like Flynn to prey upon unsuspecting individuals and utilise
meditation to dangerously manipulate and control. Flynn’s sick cult brainwashing is then potentially passed on to unsuspecting and innocent victims.

Even I was mesmerised and open to Flynn’s twisted hypnotherapy approaches which entranced those around him – so easy when a group has been working all day at sacred monuments! As I look back, there was of course his story-telling which is almost mono-tone and mono-time epic story-telling, which plants hypno-suggestions and hypno-control. He uses story-telling, ancient Egyptian archetypal epics and the visual – his paintings. Simple but effective, these are really visualisation and journeying techniques for hypnosis. Some of the group displayed the signs of being ‘spaced out’. At the time, I put this down to intense processing. All the time Brian, operated inside my group and when he joined my Tour in Cairo, he could work on me during energy experiences in pyramids at Giza, Abu-sir or Old Cairo mosques. This was a very easy opportunity for Flynn.

From 2012, our friendship was platonic. I had assumed that Brian and Sayed were gay lovers living an unlawful, secluded life in Luxor. Brian claimed this man as his son. Sadly, in 2012, Sayed met one of my clients, Lucy, and she is now married to him and living in Luxor. Flynn (funded by The Fellowship) paid for the construction of their house. Lucy and Sayed have no money and are now trapped in the cult’s web and dependent upon Flynn. Lucy is entirely unaware. I am uncertain as to Sayed’s fullest involvement. However, at the same time Sayed was introduced to Lucy, Sayed’s cousin was introduced to another client, a wealthy Japanese woman, and they too will be married. All the time, Flynn is central to this group of clients. Of course, he is trusted by the group because I was their spiritual guide and teacher, and I demonstrated trust in Brian.

I ONLY BECAME AWARE OF FLYNN’S CONNECTION WITH THE CULT WHEN I STARTED TO INVESTIGATE IN JULY 2013- POST-RELATIONSHIP. I started to research Robert Burton and the cult websites through the references Lynne Sanders and Alisanne Frew gave me: The Fourth Way, California and Robert. It all started to a fall into place. I assumed Flynn was an ex-member who was too embarrassed to speak, THEN I found his videos on http://www.livingpresence.com. Please be aware that in two years of knowing Flynn he did not disclose his association with the Fellowship to me or to any of my clients. No one in Luxor is aware of his cult connections. I have spoken to Luxor residents and all are appalled but not particularly surprised as he is reclusive and secretive.

At first, and during two years of ‘close’ and ‘groomed’ friendship, I was absolutely unaware of Brian’s connections with The Fellowship of Friends, and that he is an avid recruiter for the cult. He has been previously based in Holland, Naples, UK, China and California. He is also an artist (largely unsuccessful, save for his commissions from the Fellowship and its members.) Brian is penetrating Egyptian West Bank life and living a lie as a Muslim and Sufi whilst recruiting for the Fellowship of Friends. He is learning arabic, attending mosque as a converted Muslim. His altar holds the Koran and Bible side by side. Avidly, he uses quotes from both. He references Iben Arabi and Rumi Sufi quotes. This is all part of his evil pretence. He travels to sacred monuments and of course targets individuals, groups, and centres that have the essential network of possible recruits. I am aware that the Hotel of Horus, Abydos is targeted under his guise as super-dedicated amateur Egyptologist and artist depicting the culture of modern and ancient Egypt. This link comes from his Sufi connections and his interest in a particular wealthy German patron who is involved in creating a five star hotel. Flynn visited her in Germany during his summer 2013 European tour linking with a prospective German museum which refused his art works as an exhibition alongside Egyptian artefacts. Flynn is working very hard to forge links outside the cult. I am aware that he visited and exhibited in Naples, Italy in May 2013 speaking about spirituality and art. He constantly films videos for Ark in Time and Fellowship of Friends at sites and museums all around Egypt and Europe through his Fellowship-funded European Tours that also serve to reconnect him with cult members, but also through the new ‘unaware’ network he is creating via Egypt. I am aware that John Anthony West – who continues Schwaller de Lubicz’s work and research has been targeted in Luxor by Flynn who visited him and joined part of his tour. Much of Flynn’s sacred art dialogue in his films is lifted from Schwaller de Lubicz’s ‘Sacred Science.’ Please be aware that Flynn will go to all lengths to assure you and your approach is exactly what he has been searching for. He will criticise every Egypt expert to distract you from his lack of knowledge. How can he be knowledgeable of Ancient Egypt when he spends all his time on cult recruitment projects and prospective cult membership? Knitwear designer Kafe Fassett has been in contact with Flynn via Flynn’s designer friend Amy Butler. I met both during Christmas 2012 whilst the group was visiting Luxor and travelling with Flynn to Cairo.

Flynn is attempting to exhibit his art at museums, and is targeting Egyptian collections in Europe. If you check his site, the ‘Duat’ series is available for educational programmes. This is his warped vision. Be aware if you are a meditation teacher: he will approach you to provide meditation or healing experiences with his work in order to access your network or will propose working off the major sites – in special Sufi tombs or minor monuments, which of course are not significant. Another of Flynn’s approaches – you will be offered the cult house in Ramla, West Bank, Luxor to run all your programmes from. This I declined. I have viewed Alisanne Frew’s postings on Egyptologists’ website inviting Luxor-based professionals to run workshops from the same cult house in Ramla, Luxor. Google Alisanne Frew to access the posting. Both Frew and Flynn work with the same approaches. Again, I uncovered this when I started researching the individuals I had encountered.

In May 2013, Brian visited me and my classes in London. He was very keen to connect with my clients outside of Tours. This immediately made me
suspicious. He will often speak about his background in theatre design, which again is not a professional one in recognised theatres but in the
Fellowship’s theatre at their Oregon House, California headquarters. This again I discovered only in July 2013 post-relationship, after all ties were cut. There he lived for twenty years, inseparable and wholly dependent upon Burton. Flynn is clearly without gift. For individuals without potential and money The Fellowship becomes intellectual and creative prostitution. He goes to all lengths to entice followers with the same formulae as the cult’s non-professional ballet and opera. His illustrations are quite nice but there is no cohesive artistic vision – as each piece is usually designed with an ulterior motive – to attract another cult member. It is phoney – the motive is to control those he feels he needs (or is ordered) to prey upon, whether it is the local Sufi community or anyone else, as a
prospective member. There is always an ulterior motive beyond what he paints – do not be flattered or view this as some sort of synchronicity or sign of alignment. It is staged. He will target you only as a prospective member. He is a sick sociopath emulating Burton on every level.

On Valentine’s Day 2013, he sent an image of one of his paintings. I thought nothing of it as our relationship was platonic. In April 2013, Brian Flynn was by now a very close friend, with regular Skype sessions, even from Fellowship headquarters in California during his regular August visits. (I was completely unaware at the time that every facet, encounter, activity of our friendship, even his engagement proposal at St Paul’s London, was all carefully planned, executed and staged not only by Brian Flynn, but by Lynne Sanders, Alisanne Frew, Edith Minne and others I may not be aware of.) I was still not aware of his connections with the cult. This is what I can disclose as regards to his methods. The approach is to mirror exactly all likes and dislikes of the intended recruit. In his words, “we were friendbecause we like exactly the same things.” Flynn became fully accepted as a friend and also a freelance teacher for future trips in Cairo. He positioned himself as confidante and organiser to support me in Egypt – gradually attempting more control of my work and groups. From the initial meeting, my ex-partner hated Flynn and expressed immediate concerns about his associations with a cult but this advice would not stand between Flynn and myself. Our worlds were the same in Ancient Egypt. How wrong I was! Flynn’s cult techniques were in part much to blame for the breakdown of my relationship. My ex-partner has been an outstanding support for me as he was clear about Flynn from the outset. Without doubt he is using innocent western fascination in Sufism to target individuals. Flynn would organise super-expensive Zikr Sufi evenings. Be aware of his activities – it will appear he is offering you a special entry to Egyptian life. This may also include entry to eat with Sayed’s family in Habu coinciding with Zikr
gathering – of course happily because of payment. Any Sufi will do this for you.

In April 2013 – after working together on a Tour in Cairo, we began a relationship. It was unexpected as there was no attraction. It tied in with the start of the other relationships I have described above, so I see the ‘relationship’ being staged and used as a catalyst for Flynn’s ‘little community’. Of course, I am concerned these women are highly and hugely vulnerable, in their late thirties and desperately lonely. Flynn used his concern that ‘Egypt is full of sharks’ to create a safe base for the women – protection from the local Egyptian men.

In May 2013, Brian proposed to me in St. Paul’s Cathedral, London. This is the length the cult will go to access an organisation’s clients and a prospective flow of potential members. We were now talking about his joining me and my international work in Japan, London, Greece, Italy, Egypt. Often planning for him to join me in seminars and lectures at large festivals of hundreds and sometimes thousands of potential clients. All of our conversations turned to plans for working together and using the house in Luxor as a base. This is what is very alarming! I even introduced him to one of my oldest teachers. A psychotherapist connected to one of the oldest spiritual organisations in London, she also was enchanted by Flynn. Flynn was aware of this and really wanted an entrance for the cult to the College of Psychic Studies, London. I have made this organisation aware. It is an organisation I have a long association with so my information will be taken seriously.

Some of my clients are wealthy. Brian Flynn assumed I am very wealthy too. He was also aware my ex-husband worked in Oil. Be aware this cult will target you if you have a large, successful clientele and spirituality business – they are also targeting any and all spiritual and meditation groups worldwide – in my experience from Fellowship Directors Lynne Sanders – she was travelling in Europe to France and Turkey, and in London targeting healing training organisations. She expressed interest in the College of Psychic Studies, London, Crystal Healing training, Eckhart Tolle for example – all I have immediately contacted and made aware. My business associations with large organisations in the UK and abroad is long and so all organisations have been informed of the Fellowship’s activities.

Indeed, Brian’s home is owned by the cult or cult’s members. It’s design even includes hearts, spades and diamonds in the window bars. I innocently commented upon this. Names mentioned were Edith Minne based in California, Lynne Sanders and Andrew based in the cult house Crouch End, London. Alisanne Frew moved to Paris in 2013 to direct Fellowship operations in Paris. She also works with antiques for the Fellowship. I met her personally – she attends so many new age training seminars and programmes – she lacks any charisma so must be unsuccessful in recruitment. She is in her late fifties – a man-sized six feet tall. I graciously thank her as, if it were not for her incessant talking and gossiping during Flynn’s cancer scare, I would not have been aware of the cult’s two-year grooming plan, Robert Burton and Flynn’s 1000 friends worldwide. Even with her – her Chanel handbag mirrored one of mine. Everything is executed to detail. It can leave you in a daze of confusion. For me – it did not last long.

In early June, I visited Brian in Luxor. It was a total transformation. He was aggressive and controlling. There was a dark, evil side. There were many techniques to control me over the visit – we did not go out much, we meditated, he criticised my meditation and healing approaches, my friendships and all conversations around my friends were closed down – all of course classic cult techniques. Cunning and devious Brian exposed himself little by little. This is not how spiritual individuals behave, which is why I began to suspect even though I was also becoming emotional and disorientated. This is not who I am.

Six days after my departure, Flynn was rushed into hospital with fever and prostate issues. He had an emergency operation and the word got out that he may have prostate cancer. Tests followed. At this exact moment, I was contacted by Alisanne Frew with a message from Robert Burton: “The Fellowship will pay to fly Brian anywhere for the best surgery.” Lynne Sanders came forward and explained she had a room ready for him for treatment in the UK. Alisanne Frew Skyped me regularly. She had contracted with me to have a reading before moving to Paris. We had made plans to meet when she travelled through London to Paris. She stayed with Lynn Sanders at the cult house in Crouch End. I was now being manipulated by other cult members. I spoke with Flynn about these people: who were they? I began to ask all the right questions that started to expose the cult. Flynn immediately ended the relationship, not of course without all conclusions that all was my fault. All connections with friends in Luxor connected with him start to deteriorate.

I am immensely fortunate that all unfolded in this way. Alisanne Frewdisclosed Flynn’s 20 year close association with Robert Burton, and that he served as Burton’s secretary. I kept in contact with Brian, and when I asked if I required AIDS testing, he sent the most incredible religious texts on evil (of course, another cult technique.) His evil is his own, and his last desperate act had/has no affect.

In the summer of 2013, I met Lynne Sanders for tea in central London and learned that she uses her Crouch End restaurant for Fellowship of Friends meetings. During our conversation, she stated that her teacher Robert Burton is ‘like a being from another world.’ I recall her lack of personal power and charisma and registering that I would not want this teacher. She is an individual in need of deep healing. She has been associated with Burton for over two decades, and I sensed in her NO AWAKENING at all! (In Lynne, and in the other Fellowship members I encountered, I noticed the same lack of vibrancy, joy, and sparkle that authentic spiritual seeking and meditation brings). In that meeting she mentioned connecting with one of my colleagues – she was already researching College of Psychic Studies, London in May 2013.

As I now look back, I see the events that occurred were coldly calculated in detailed planning by directors of the Fellowship of Friends, including Lynne, the cult’s director of operations in the UK and London. I was being groomed for the cult simply because of my international clientele. I was intensively researched for every aspect of my life and work to be mirrored so that Flynn could attach himself to my life and work. Be aware that channel Esther Hicks’ Abraham quotes are also used by both Frew and Flynn. I expect this USA organisation is also targeted.

It is now August 2013. Even this week, Flynn still attempted to e-mail me, to involve me. Even exposing this cult did not prevent him from contacting me, and now my ex-partner has dealt with Flynn. I have involved the Egyptian authorities and all organisations I am close to, providing the names of all those cult members I am aware of. Please do your own research on Brian Flynn (http://www.bflynn.net). He is a leading member of the “Ark in Time” network, the Fellowship’s team of directors who are creating an international network for this out-of-date, out-of-reality cult. Brian Flynn is insane. His failed, two-year cult operation even included having heterosexual sex, against his homosexuality. This is the twisted lengths the cult will go to. See his Fellowship films on http://www.livingpresence.com. Click on the “videos” link and hear the voice. He is a master of story-telling and hypnotherapy, but underneath is a very frightened little
man who is not free. He is now also using music hypno-techniques in his films for further hypnotherapy. I am aware that he is working with a
Fellowship member who is a composer. I will research this link and forward the individual at a later date.

My other great concern is Brian’s connection to male-dominated Sufi society and the poor West Bank community. He is infiltrating society and I only hope he’s not pursuing young men for the cult. It would of course be easy here, as the Egyptians are desperate for money and a life beyond the agricultural West Bank and dying tourism in Egypt. Here it is very easy for him to hide his two lives and, because of the language and cultural differences, not be discovered.

Please be aware of how the Fellowship’s international operations are working into specific interest areas of spirituality. To facilitate travel and networking in those areas where key Fellowship members are assigned, local sacred traditions and history are well-researched. Brian Flynn has led Tours in China, Egypt, and Italy, and I understand there are other cult directors in Japan working with Shinto – this predates Buddhism. Now Flynn is permanently based in Luxor, and this is a dangerous element of the cult’s activities, as he is using ancient archaeological and sacred knowledge interest and networks to manipulate potential followers. Every email he sent did not have a history so I would not be able to expose him. This was also a cult technique to create confusion as the methodology is to draw an individual closely in, then totally reject them. This is clearly documented through my record of his separate emails. I retain a record of all emailsfor business purposes.

The Fellowship of Friends cult is only about money. It is definitely not about love, nor spirituality, nor healing, nor a better world. Do not get involved or near any Fellowship activities. They play a dangerous game. Their inspiration is certainly Lewis Carroll’s Queen of Hearts. THIS IS NOT SPIRITUALITY.

I am recovered. I am working. All is not destroyed. My friends are great pillars of truth. I am not wired to allow cult programming, and instead will use this experience to encourage others to take action against any and all organisations that have only human suffering and limitation as their vision.

I have taken the steps to make this story public knowledge, to inform my worldwide network of clients, and to alert other organisations. The only way to tackle this is to speak and share the truth. As we live in times when truths are being revealed in every corrupt system and organisation worldwide, The Fellowship of Friends can no longer hide it’s malevolent vision of abuse. Key recruitment directors must now be fully exposed. These methods belong to outdated paradigms that absolutely fail to serve humanity and those Fellowship members who may be innocent and totally unaware. It is the scale and length of planning of the sociopathic directors of the Ark and Fellowship – of Flynn, Frew, Sanders – that is alarming. A potential feeding frenzy for social misfits to create misery over an international operation covering Egypt, UK, France, Italy, Germany, Holland, Turkey, Spain – these are the locations the three above members travelled to and covered in their
activities. The members will tell the story of leaving the USA to create a new life alone (in the country selected for operations) – Frew and Flynn. Sanders openly spoke about Fourth Wave, though not the Fellowship. You may assume that those you meet are ex-members but when you dig further, their sickening activities and association are exposed. All of the Fellowship members I met are mentally ill, but Flynn is by far the most dangerous, deluded and will go to any lengths. I wonder what the Muslim community in Luxor would feel about his activities and associations with Cult, Bible, Koran and homosexuality…now that would be a very interesting…

Everyone Flynn is networking with is being duped.

There is an added FOF connection with Facebook Page Music of the Spheres- VLad Kul who is working with Flynn’s videos. He composes with frequencies and astrological alignments. I expect like Flynn developing meditation and transformation technologies applied to manipulate and control which is dangerously deluded and detrimental to health and spiritual well-being. I was sent links with this composer via Flynn.

41. James Mclemore - August 19, 2013

Someone

Funny how you seem to continuously view some of the long time bloggers here as somehow being captivated and negatively tied to the past. I could be wrong, but I suspect that you yourself give the FoF and this blog much more thought than many of the long time blog posters do.

42. James Mclemore - August 19, 2013

In regards to post 40. Tracey Ash –

I was left thinking that there are evidently several grades of “snake oil”, some of them more toxic than others.

43. Wouldnt You Like To Know - August 19, 2013

40. Tracey Ash

Thank you for that lengthy post.
Yes, you were targeted.
Sorry that you had to go through that.
Diabolical, is it not?;-(

44. A Hundred Thousand Angels - August 20, 2013

A Hundred Thousand Angels

45. Fee fi fo fum - August 20, 2013

40 Tracey Ash

What an insightful and detailed recounting: of Brian F. and the cold and calculating use by the diehard loyalists in the Fellowship of Friends for whatever will further the aims of Robert E. Burton and the organization. We all recognize the FF’s and REB’s ever-present attraction to money and influence, the use and abuse of sex as a means to an end, and its deliberate obfuscation with pseudo-spiritual meaning.

This reminds me of the impact that Pavel (the initiator of this blog) had when he posted his long description of his prospective student meeting in England. It was also very insightful and astute, and he had also looked into the FF and found it to be a cult. In a way, one of the strengths of Tracey’s and Pavel’s posts is that they were never members in the FF.

All of the garbage that REB began in 1970 in California has escalated and spread like a disease across the world, so that whatever REB and the FF touch gets polluted.

46. Steve - August 20, 2013

Interesting, Tracey.

47. Steve - August 20, 2013

I always find it baffling when people refer to Robert’s ‘charisma’.

I guess the experience of charisma is subjective, because I found him completely lacking any charisma – mumbling inaudibly and incoherently, and avoiding eye contact most of the time.

Also the oft-repeated theory that he ‘crystallized wrongly’. Who is to say he ‘crystallized’ at all, whatever ‘crystallized’ is supposed to mean, since he has no special powers, abilities, intuition or even penetrating observations?

His only outstanding qualities appear to be a complete lack of self doubt, an absence of conscience, plus an obsessive focus on interpreting things and getting what he wants.

48. WhaleRider - August 20, 2013

Tracey Ash:
Thank you a hundred thousand times for your post. I wish you good karma.

Hopefully we can put to rest the notion that burton and his spawn are benign and unworthy of our attention.

49. ton2u - August 20, 2013

Steve (47) in the sense that burton is unable to change, ‘crystallization’ seems an apt metaphor — consider the satyriasis, greed, vanity, etc… and at the root of the sociopathic behavior is mental and emotional illness which has gone untreated and unchecked for decades.

“Someone,” Ron Lancaster and others have pointed out that burton may be well past his “zenith” and so no longer of concern but as Tracey Ash (40) indicates the FOF as an organization is an issue. burton’s time is nearing an end but now it’s about the collection of ‘hasnamus’ beings that have assembled under the ‘tutelage’ of a malignant narcissist — the problem is spawning more of the same.

Thank you Tracey for your detailed story, for your very human concern and for taking the time to spread the word in an effort to curb and curtail the spread of this disease. You write:

“My other great concern is Brian’s connection to male-dominated Sufi society and the poor West Bank community. He is infiltrating society and I only hope he’s not pursuing young men for the cult.”

There is no doubt that he is at least attempting to do exactly what you describe.

and worth repeating:

“The Fellowship of Friends cult is only about money. It is definitely not about love, nor spirituality, nor healing, nor a better world. Do not get involved or near any Fellowship activities. They play a dangerous game.”

50. brucelevy - August 20, 2013

40. Tracey Ash

Thank you for this. I hope you don’t mind that I re-posted this as a discussion on the Greater Fellowshio site.

Ron lancaster - August 20, 2013

Tim: So good to hear from you. It brings me back to a fine era in my life, with Stella and Harold and their coffee shops in Carmel where the laughter was infectious. I can still hear its echoes. Also it reminds me of Chautauqua House where I lived with Barbara for 5 years. Certainly the years 75 to 80 were among the happiest of my life and it had nothing to do the the teacher or his close friends. The money was nothing compared to what I got and what I became as a result of the ideas and friends I met and still hold dear. I went on to do many things in life and have about run my course, Im 72 and creaky, but those times, those good times, will not be forgotten. They bless me to this day. Yours, Ronald Lancaster

On 8/19/13 1:06 PM, “Fellowship of Friends – Living Presence Discussion” wrote:

> Tim Campion commented: “Ron, You and Barbara, Stella and Harold, Samuel S., > Thomas E. and others might be seen as “pioneers” that led the way for this > blog and other websites that expose Robert Burton and The Fellowship of > Friends. Before he launched this blog, Pavel (aka “th” >

51. Dennis Larson - August 20, 2013

Hey Ron, nice to hear from you. One of the things I’ve been thinking about lately is the difference between those of us who joined and left the FOF years ago and those who stayed and have joined since. There’s a tendency to think that since it was so good for us to graduate, that that would be the best for others. I see emotional maturity as progressing from being totally self absorbed as a baby toward being more and more able to consider what is best for others, in addition to what is best for ourselves. We are all on that continuum someplace. If we have had a difficult life, and especially childhood, our emotional development is more arrested and we do not become as caring and do not develop as much conscience. If a person is still quite self absorbed we call them mentally ill, usually a personality disorder. RB is a good example of this, with very little ability to care for others and very little conscience. Those of us who left can only be thankful that we had enough conscience, and not too many other distractions, to leave. If students know about RB and the ways of the FOF, and still stay, that has to be a valid expression of who they are. This blog and other expressions of former students, serves to hopefully forewarn as many prospective students a possible and give support to those who are considering leaving. You are seeing on this blog all different levels of emotional maturity. It seems that we can only take comfort in the possibility that most of us are probably not as self absorbed as RB.

52. ton2u - August 20, 2013

Bruce 50:

Can you post a link here to that discussion group on the GF site?
I’d like to see any ensuing comments.

53. Mick - August 20, 2013

Was that a Freudian typo? “Fellowshio” sounds like “Fellatio”?

54. WhaleRider - August 20, 2013

Ronald Lancaster:

If you are sincerely interested in “shunning and avoiding negative emotions” as you say, while attempting to publicly preserve your happy fourth way memories about growing up watching the hilarious Stella and Harold Show…what on Earth are you doing in this forum, exactly?

Aren’t you forgetting your primary aim?

Cuz, i don’t think anyone here is laughing at your gentle mirth, at least I’m not, maybe because I feel the FOF joke was at my expense.

For me, this is gut wrenching, like listening to an old unconscious fool reminiscing to concentration camp survivors about the giddy good times they had in the Nazi Youth Corps…ah, those were the days!…trying to convince themselves it wasn’t all that bad…like it was Hitler who gave the institution of Nazism a bad name and the Jews just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

For the amount of collective effort that has been devoted to “self-remembering”, if the fourth way really worked, we’d all be walking on water by now…not just you out there in Tucson.

BTW, there is a certain zealous individual out there who would be more than happy to chat with you at length about the fourth way and all that it has done for him and not done for you.

Ron lancaster - August 20, 2013

Dear Whale Rider: You got me there. Im glad you straightened me out. Ill start frowning right now. Yours, Ronald Lancaster

On 8/20/13 3:22 PM, “Fellowship of Friends – Living Presence Discussion” wrote:

> WhaleRider commented: “Ronald Lancaster: If you are sincerely interested in > “shunning and avoiding negative emotions” as you say, while attempting to > publicly preserve your happy fourth way memories about growing up watching the > hilarious Stella and Harold Show…what on Ear” >

Ron lancaster - August 20, 2013

Dennis: Nice to hear from you. One thing I wanted to say afore I leave this site is that on rereading the old journals I find that RB had only a cursory knowledge of the 4th Way. That is why he was always emphasizing the Schools greatness and his own exalted station, and finally angels and more angels. He rarely spoke of the nuts and bolts of the system and when he did he usually got it wrong. When I was working in the Cult Awareness Network I saw many worse cults than the FOF. Scientology is a real bad one, but the worst was The Children of God. Everybody was a sicko in that one. The FOF was pretty middling. I hope this finds you and Elena in good health and spirits. -Ronald

On 8/20/13 12:27 PM, “Fellowship of Friends – Living Presence Discussion” wrote:

> Dennis Larson commented: “Hey Ron, nice to hear from you. One of the things > I’ve been thinking about lately is the difference between those of us who > joined and left the FOF years ago and those who stayed and have joined since. > There’s a tendency to think that since it was so good” >

55. Mick - August 20, 2013

Sure, WhaleRider, there’s nothing good about the Fellowship, most of us agree. But this is a public forum and points of view other than yours make it more interesting reading. There’s no need to try to summarily chase everyone else away.

56. Fee fi fo fum - August 21, 2013

52 ton2u

The link to the Main page of the Greater Fellowship website is in the upper right hand corner of this blog, along with other sites. The GF site is by membership only. The advantage of that is when people post on it, their comments are not searchable on the internet, so their privacy is ensured. In contrast, this blog is public and comments are searchable by Googling (for example). There are advantages to one being private and the other being public. As we know, the FF operates on the basis of fear and paranoia, so GF’s being private is good. However, this blog’s being public means that FF members or people who have gone to prospective students meetings (such as Pavel, this blog’s initiator) who want more insight into the FF, are able to access this blog freely.

Also, as you may know, this blog feeds into the RobertEarlBurton blog, whose link is also on the upper right of this blog.

57. Fee fi fo fum - August 21, 2013

However, there have been instances where someone, notably Greg G. when he was a GF member, or if he is a member under an alias (which are actively discouraged on GF), has done wholesale copying and pasting of comments from GF onto his own personal blogs, with attendant vicious comments similar to what he has done on this blog. In that case, one’s comments on GF cannot be guaranteed to remain private.

58. brucelevy - August 21, 2013

57. Fee fi fo fum

No one reads his bull shit more then once, unless they’re seriously fucked up, and intentional prey. No really, there is no one more irrelevant. So why even fucking bother. Anyone who would listen to him is not worth conversing with.

59. Dennis Larson - August 21, 2013

In my own case, I see an important part of how I reacted to RB and the FOF, upon leaving, as being related to my mechanicality. I am the intellectual part of the moving center. I don’t have an emotional element and tend not to get emotionally involved. One of my most predominant characteristics is efficiency. It ws not efficient to spend time and thoughts on something that was no longer useful to me. Once I understood that RB was mentally ill, I hardly ever thought about him again. My main interests in all this have been to better understand why I joined, why I stayed, and whether I’m still carrying around some of the same tendencies that got me into that dysfunctional school in the first place

60. WhaleRider - August 21, 2013

Thanks for the feedback, Mick. I’ll keep it in mind.

I mean no harm to the right honorable Mr Lancaster of Tucson, who once spoke out against the cult, and I welcome your point of view, too.

Tell me, what still interests you about the fourth way then? Does it hold any promise for you or are you just rooting for the underdog here?

Sure, everyone ought to avoid the ongoing unhealthy, unmitigated expression of anger or rage, that’s just common sense.

We certainly don’t need to sign over the farm to a fourth way guru to get that; it comes naturally with age and experience; however, the “non-expression of negative emotions” as formulated in the “fourth way” system put into practice is a fundamentally unsound method of spiritual advancement, IMHO. It leads to slavery not freedom.

It sounds nice in theory, but in my experience, the non-expression of negative emotions functions in the cult (as it does to superiors in the military) as a means to silence critical thought and dissent, especially when eventually called to task by the “infallible” cult leader.

IMO, through the non-expression of negativity, Mr Lancaster, as well as myself and others were being gently and meticulously groomed for what we would only later discover was submission to burton’s ultimate authority…learning to hold back and distrust our gut feelings and gag response as we rode on gales of wine-drenched laughter in the blissful years of the outlying incubator cells, called, “centers” and “houses”.

Mr Lancaster, the truth is your good nature was used by burton as a means at the time to gain access to young vulnerable people like me.

61. J.D. - August 21, 2013

re:/40 Tracey Ash

Thank you so much for your in depth exposé of cult recruiting activities.
The most hilarious thing is when Brian proposed… no offense, but it was hysterically funny!

For those who were lucky to escape the cult somehow unhurt and disillusioned, spirituality is nothing but a imaginary child whim, a make believe, a fanciful extravagant fabrication… a sad and dramatic degradation, so…
I wish you good luck: it is full of Flynns out there!

62. Steve - August 21, 2013

I agree Ron, it was mostly a wonderful time in the FOF.

63. Mick - August 21, 2013

So, are you admitting to gales of drunken laughter and suppressing the gag reflex?
“Thanks to repressed emotions, another fine dining experience passes without incident.” – Mystery Science Theater

64. Ames Gilbert - August 21, 2013

Someone (#138-35 or thereabouts),
You say it’s over; I say it ain’t over until it’s over.
Burton still rapes young heterosexual men. He still loots the resources of a non-profit organization. He still steals from other spiritual traditions to legitimize his own ravings. He is still mentally ill. And he still causes great harm.
Yet you still appear here (as you have every right to do—and much more often than you claim), acting as if you were a member of the FoF, in that you encourage bloggers here to stop posting. Isn’t that what they would like?

To me, you appear to be either a shill or a ‘useful fool’.

It may be ‘over’ for you, but it is not over for the young Russians and Eastern European boys lured over here by false pretences, that are undergoing the selection, grooming and the overwhelming psychological pressures right now. It may not over for the young men Burton has raped in the past. And it is definitely not over for those who are aiding and abetting him right now. It is inconceivable that there is any present member of the Fellowship of Friends who has been a member over a year who does not know what is going on, which means that every one of them is complicit to some degree in the crimes of rape and inurement. Moreover, every one of them that foregoes warning a new victim, that ‘passes by on the other side’ commits a crime against his or herself, destroys their own integrity and humanity. And every board member commits a crime when he/she does not act against Burton’s looting/inurement.
Obviously, you don’t care about any of this. And obviously I’m not going to take your advice to leave it alone.
How about this? You claim you live in Oregon House. When Burton dies, log on for just one more time and tell us. That day will be the last time I mention him. From then on, I’ll just try to warn people about Asaf Braverman, Benjamin Yudin, Brian Flynn, and the many others who seek to take on Burton’s mantle and inherit the setup he leaves behind.

Ron, nice to hear from you.
Re. your comment about bitternes. Does this mean anything to you?
“Being partkdolg–duty”, or conscious labor—doing something without self–interest, doing simply because it must be done.

Tracey Ash,
thank you for trying to warn others about Brian Flynn and the Fellowship of Friends. I’m sorry that you got caught up in the criminality and were hurt. May grace and healing attend you.

65. Dennis Larson - August 21, 2013

60. WhaleRider

I found useful your explanation of how the non-expression of negativity was abused by RB. I hadn’t realized how much it had effected my experiences in the school also. I have known a couple other Personality Disorders since then and they all had an amazingly uncanny ability to manipulate every possibility, for their own self interest, almost no conscience. I don’t think RB lost his conscience, I don’t think he ever had one.

I remember hearing that the original 4th Way exercise was to try to not express negativity, in order to verify that it can not be done. Now that sounds useful. It takes just a little twist, in the hands of a sociopath, to turn a useful exercise into a tool of amazing manipulation.

66. Tracey Ash - August 21, 2013

Incredible people posting on this important site with hugely important passion and commitment to expose FOF. It is a healing process that does indeed unfold in the rightful path of spiritual progression- truth and responsibility. I am very happy Bruce for you (or any of you) to use my post to expose this sickness. I agree all
members are involved by inaction and ignoring the inappropriately abusive and unspiritual actions of others. Schemes to recruit bring involvement- every potential new member will come into contact with existing members. In my experience there is silence. Silence is used to control- all involved…and all are manipulated to degrees of mental illness to not be capable of balanced and sane awareness or action…it needs exposing and continuously until its end. There is a code for recruitment- and all involved are aware.

67. WhaleRider - August 21, 2013

Dennis Larson:
Thank you for your post. I like your twist better on “trying not to express negativity” as an exercise in futility.

For some character styles, that would be like trying not to breathe…or trying not to think about a pink elephant…doomed for failure from the start!

I think a more healthy approach to negativity would be to consider how one might manage an ongoing negative mood instead of micromanaging every single emotion.

You are right, this is what cult leaders with malignant narcissism do to manipulate others: they create idealized standards which are impossible for anyone to live up to, including themselves.

Followers are left to feel weak and dependent, while the leader cleverly hides his or her weaknesses behind the guise of infallibility, all the while maintaining his or her aloofness from the rank and file members. Kick a few followers out every so often, the rest will toe the line…and literally pay up the yin yang to belong.

After hearing about the idea and a month into the cult, I remember the first time I inadvertently blurted out something in exasperation.

I took that to be an unconscious expression of negative emotion, which it was; obviously I was “identified” with whatever exasperated me, and I felt very embarrassed that I lacked self control.

So not only was I exasperated, I felt bad about myself, too…a double binding whammy for the neophyte!

That was a defining moment in the cult’s self-numbing, self-censoring process on me which took years for me to heal.

Often in the cult I later took up the practice of being “in silence” for long periods of time to keep me from verbally expressing anything I might later regret.

Regarding the gut wrenching conscience or lack there of:

Here’s a chilling example of pathological narcissism, pretty far out there in the sociopathic range…in Joshua Oppenheimer’s brilliant documentary, “The Act of Killing”, he is interviewing an Indonesian death squad member about the raping of 14 year old girls…the rapist says…in a savoring manner….”It’s the worst moment in her life, and the best moment in mine.”

Now that is spoken by a person truly devoid of a conscience. When I heard that, I had a visceral reaction; it made me sick to my stomach.

That’s same gut reaction I have when I hear about burton’s exploits since I left the cult.

There is also a scene in the film where a death squad member is running for a minor municipal office, a building inspector, which he blatantly plans to use to extort money out of people. Just before doing a public promotion for his candidacy, the guy has to practice making facial gestures in a mirror! That’s how out of touch a classic sociopath is with their inner feelings…he has to learn to mimic his feelings…in order to better seduce his victims.

68. Fee fi fo fum - August 22, 2013

40. Tracey Ash’s story
65. Tracey Ash

It’s also possible to comment specifically on Tracey Ash’s story (see above post #40 on this page 138) on the RobertEarlBurton blog. The REB blog is currently on the home page, and is accessible through the link on this blog at the upper right, or here:

http://robertearlburton.blogspot.com/

If you follow that story to the end, on the REB blog, there is a comment box. That blog is public, just like this blog, so comments are viewable to the public. The great thing about the REB blog is that it is organized by topic. This blog is more like an ongoing conversation, sometimes with long pauses.

For anyone who thinks the FoF is benign, Tracey Ash’s story is a reminder that it is not. Many FoF students were not directly affected by the physical misdeeds of REB, but it is always good to remember that the affects of mind control and the FoF’s and REB’s lust for money and power are ever-present and insidious. The many good aspects that are mentioned on this blog or the GF site, such as the friendships and social gatherings, are/were in spite of the FoF, not necessarily because of it, IMHO.

69. Fee fi fo fum - August 22, 2013

I meant to say above in the second sentence, that Tracey Ash’s story is currently on the home page of the REB blog.

70. GoldenVeil - August 22, 2013

40. Tracey Ash – August 19, 2013
Lies, deceit, control: an outsider’s Fellowship of Friends experience,
2011 – 2013

66. Tracey Ash – August 21, 2013

Thanking you for having the courage to share your story. You’re not alone, as far as being snared into relationships with people that want to use you and access friends and clients, or being proposed marriage by an opportunist. By relating what happened here, your experience will serve as a warning to many and also, as you must know, be a step towards healing your broken heart. It’s healthy to express the sadness, anger, and disappointment you must feel. Also, an experience such as this, you must know, can take a toll on your ability to trust others. I encourage you to keep talking about your experience to help dissipate it’s negative effect on you (since the break up is so fresh, you may have trouble not talking about it!) and seek professional counseling, as well. It really is generous of you to share your experience, especially under your own name, in order to warn others. Thank you.

65. Dennis Larson – August 22, 2013

“I remember hearing that the original 4th Way exercise was to try to not express negativity, in order to verify that it can not be done. Now that sounds useful.”

The Fellowship of Friend’s modification of the 4th way exercise to not express negativity serves to quell any dissent with authority in the organization – and that includes, for some students, expressing distress over the teacher’s sexual abuse of them. But for all, the denial of expressing any negativity initiates the disconnection with their conscience. It is, for the Fellowship of Friends, a tried and true method of coercion by emotional, or for some students, intellectual, intimidation.

71. Ill Never Tell - August 23, 2013

40. Tracey Ash

Eeeeyowzah!!!

In like Flynn???
or not!

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_like_Flynn
‘”In like Flynn” is a slang phrase meaning “having achieved a goal or gained access as desired”. In addition to its general use, the phrase is sometimes used to describe success in sexual seduction, and its folk etymology often asserts the phrase has sexual origins.’

72. WhaleRider - August 23, 2013

“Cult Leader Bans all Emotion”

Big House, CA-In a non-startling and long anticipated move, Cult Fondler and self-proclaimed man number 7.8, Robert E. Burton has now forbidden his followers from expressing any emotion whatsoever, raising the bar once again for his faithful to gain exclusive entry into Paradise or his bedroom.

“To be fully imprisoned in the present we must resist identification with anything, and all emotions, negative or positive, occur when one is identified with some aspect of the lower self especially below the waist,” he mumbled to wide-eyed, but largely non-English speaking Fellowship inmates at dinner last night, who all nodded precisely in unison.

Apparently, the “No Teeth While Smiling” rule was too easy for his current flock, the majority of whom are from Eastern European heritage, and having been under such depressing and soul quashing authoritarian rule for decades, they rarely smiled anyway.

As expected, Burton’s followers showed no emotion at the announcement, another dinner passing without incident, but leaving Burton scrambling backstage to confabulate another way to instill fear and loathing into the minds and souls of his followers.

73. WhaleRider - August 23, 2013

Critics of the Fellowship were quick to point out that the “No Teeth While Smiling” rule was in reality a covert cost cutting ploy used to save the cult from having to offer its Eastern European employees dental insurance, many of whom suffer from poor dental hygiene.

74. Fee fi fo fum - August 23, 2013

72, 73 WhaleRider

Thanks for the laugh.

It’s the usual hypocrisy by REB and the FF: showing teeth while laughing is too “instinctive.” Yet who’s the one gratifying his never-satisfied instinctive needs? REB. All paid for by FF members, in one form or other.

75. nigel - August 29, 2013

6 months and 4 admissions with ‘wrong’ meds,, family feuds over people wasting our money – now able to value real friends, the homeless, desperate to find stability – I was handed 2 gifts in Exeter – my council apartment, which I can rent for life as a ‘vulnerable adult’; and my little West Highland Terrier, Ferdy, who was a gigolo for 7 years and now has a ‘daddy’. Even – a close woman Complimentary Holistic Therapist – who might?????

Wait for Reiki in Silver and Gold – “transferring universal energy through precious metals” on http://www.exesilver.co.uk…..

No regrets. Thanks, universe…..Nigel.

76. GoldenVeil - August 30, 2013
77. nigel - September 1, 2013

“That sanity be kept”, by Dylan Marlais Thomas

That sanity be kept I sit at open windows,
Regard the sky, make unobtrusive comment on the moon,
Sit at open windows in my shirt,
And let the traffic pass, the signals shine,
The engines run, the brass bands keep in tune,
For sanity must be preserved.

Thinking of death, I sit and watch the park
Where children play in all their innocence,
And matrons on the littered grass
Absorb the daily sun.

The sweet suburban music from a hundred lawns
Comes softly to my ears. The English mowers mow and mow.

I mark the couples walking arm in arm,
Observe their smiles,
Sweet invitations and inventions,
See them lend love illustration
By gesture and grimace.
I watch them curiously, detect beneath the laughs
What stands for grief, a vague bewilderment
At things not turning right.

I sit at open windows in my shirt,
Observe, like some Jehovah of the west
What passes by, that sanity be kept.

78. Tempus Fugit - September 3, 2013

40. Tracey Ash – August 19, 2013
Lies, deceit, control: an outsider’s Fellowship of Friends experience,
2011 – 2013

Thanks, Tracey. I appreciated your story and am happy for your escape. I’m sure as a spiritually minded person you ultimately take your experience as a necessary lesson – but the pain is real and it hurts.

I personally related to many things you said but in this post I want to comment on ways sociopaths take advantage of our vulnerabilities.

Although I just used the word “our” I think people vary a lot in their vulnerabilities, and our upbringing has a lot to do with how sophisticated we are at detecting and dealing with criminals.

In my family I got no training at all, sadly. My parents were very kind, loving people but had no skills to handle sociopaths. They were blinded by their own parents’ failure to properly educate them as well as a naive Christianity that encouraged the assumption that other people were good at heart and it was sinful and mean spirited to treat them otherwise.

In mainstream American culture there are also strong values of even handed and fair treatment of others that may support naivete towards sociopaths, and I got a good dose of that.

Not surprisingly my parents were taken advantage of many times and I have been too. My “bullshit detector” and my assertiveness skills have grown over the years and I don’t get fooled too often nowadays.

When I met the FOF I had none of these skills. The members I met were attractive, sincere, passionate, and committed. They were easy to believe and at the time I had no reason not to. As I’ve written before, when I met Burton he was my image of the Western guru. Everything he did added to that impression and nothing took away from it.

The thought “This seems too good to be true” was not part of my mental repertoire. If I had that same experience today I would question deeply and check outside sources (like this blog) before making any commitment to something so important.

I also had heard about the group through a trusted friend, so I was even more open to accept the cult’s assertions about itself and its leader. (In your story, Tracey, you met Flynn in the midst of a spiritual exercise with established friends in a special natural setting – but you forgot the grass hides snakes.)

I suppose I should add two another general factors for me – youth and lack of experience. All of us get bit by those snakes if we live long enough… but then again many people don’t seem to learn much from those experiences. I find it incredibly sad to meet age peers in their sixties who have been hurt repeatedly by sociopaths and learned little to protect themselves.

Also, and so important, I had an honest passion for spiritual evolution and was searching for companions, a path, and a teacher. My hunger for God was so strong it blinded me to a false teacher, and I was so immature and naive I picked a minor, oddball group at that.

I mean, after all, a luckier man might have become a Moonie, married a beautiful Asian wife in a ceremony with 2000 other fortunate couples and had a thrilling honeymoon in South Korea! (Okay, calm down, I’m sure it’s beautiful there if you know where to go.)

Anyway, lack of education about sociopathy and criminality, lack of assertiveness training, lack of life experience, well intentioned but unsophisticated moral values, and equally naive friends all led me into the spider’s web.

Thanks to my true Teacher I escaped, and I am grateful every day.

The reasons I post here are not because I have an unhealthy attachment to the FOF or live in the past or because I have nothing better to do.

When I write I understand my life better, appreciate my freedom more deeply, and have the pleasure of hearing the stories and celebrating the freedom of people like Tracey.

I also feel a duty of conscience to help others who may be trapped in the FOF. I may not contribute to this blog the rest of my life, but for now it is satisfying and sensible. Maybe some small thing I say will help someone escape. What an incredible privilege!

79. J.D. - September 3, 2013

Gurus, teachers, their ashrams and schools are nothing without the fools dancing to their beat.

80. Wondering Who’s Watching - September 3, 2013

Thank you, J.D., for:
Guru: Mystical Dance, 2:17
Robert Earl Burton appears at 0:24.

81. swhite44 - September 3, 2013

lol good choice of music!

82. brucelevy - September 3, 2013

79. J.D.

Great one.

83. brucelevy - September 3, 2013

How about this clown

84. Tempus Fugit - September 3, 2013

“79. J.D. – September 3, 2013
Gurus, teachers, their ashrams and schools are nothing without the fools dancing to their beat.”

Thanks J.D. – Great video!

I saw the Ramones in concert in the early 80’s after I got out of the FOF.

Q: Ever wonder why Burton condemned rock music?
A: It’s hard to control happy dancing people.

85. swhite44 - September 3, 2013

I saw them in the late 70s in Melbourne well before the FOF.

86. swhite44 - September 3, 2013

Seems like that ‘clown’ is struggling hard to put words into coherent strings in the hope of producing a plausible.sentence.

87. swhite44 - September 3, 2013

Has anyone commented in this long epic about how Robert and his boyz would go to a restaurant after the formal dinners and pig out? I saw it once or twice – they all frantically passed dishes around and gutsed down the food like there was no tomorrow, No meal tomorrow anyway. Wasn’t that a strange phenomenon?

88. brucelevy - September 4, 2013

87. swhite44

It just reflects the gluttony that pervades every aspect of RB’s life.

89. Functional Diner - September 4, 2013

84. Tempus Fugit

I saw the Ramones in concert in the early 80′s after I got out of the FOF.

Q: Ever wonder why Burton condemned rock music?
A: It’s hard to control happy dancing people.

*****
About 25 years ago, Burton actually did allow people to listen to rock, and even had some Motown dances at the Town Hall. There was also a Jazz phase, but he later axed that for whatever reason. He probably noticed people were getting out of control and enjoying themselves too much and expanding their horizons too much (that is, the people who were not part of his harem).

And heaven forbid some people may have branched out into a social life outside the FOF. So I don’t think the rock and jazz phase continued very long, or at least it wasn’t part of “the form.” I wasn’t around much longer, so I didn’t see how it played out.

I think part of what made the place tolerable for some members was that they broke away from the usual silliness and enjoyed themselves at rock concerts or nightclubs on their own time, and without necessarily sharing that secret with people.

There’s an occasional lame attempt by Burton to make the cult seem “normal” — by allowing sports, rock, jazz, or whatever.

90. Tracey Ash - September 5, 2013

Please read the attached email from Flynn. The problem with all of it- it is beyond the scope of decency and reality. Flynn is not such a benign or inactive presence for Fellowship of Friends.

When I confronted Brian with his involvement with Robert Burton and Fellowship of Friends- this was his reply. The reply is isolated so there is no thread. Usual cult rubbish.

The story with Brian is not active for me- a learning curve on truth. I am in no way an inconsolable ex-partner. Flynn’s attached email explains that one away. He is nuts- a sociopath- parading in a charade of spirituality.

It is my public post that forewarns discernment about the cult- on this site and http://robertearlburton.blogspot.co.uk/ if this cult fits then that is fine too.

Best of luck with it all.
Lucy has no other side of the story (only Brian’s). I have sent Lucy the same but seperate email so you are not involved.

If Flynn has any issues with my public post- take it to court I am more than happy to. I have had more than enough of the cult’s manipulation and will make more information available.

Further INFO via Tim Campion
Brian Flynn appears on Fellowship of Friends rosters that I have
>> (2009 and 2012). I mentioned to Tracey that I recently came across an
>> archived copy of the San Francisco Chronicle (December 26, 1986) that
>> featured a photo of Brian, with the caption “Curator Brian Flynn in
>> the Goethe Academy at the Fellowship of Friends community of
>> Renaissance”. (The Goethe Academy was then the name of Robert
>> Burton’s
>

———- Forwarded message ———-
From:
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:38 AM
Subject: only One thing is important – ALLAH
To: TRACEY ASH
I pray that God may pour his blessings and forgiveness upon you, that you may be delivered from the tormented darkness in which you dwell.
Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.
Quran 2:6-7
farewell Tracey

91. brucelevy - September 5, 2013

90. Tracey Ash

Re: email from Brian

Back in NYC we used to say “that’s one greasy mf’er.

92. Ill Never Tell - September 5, 2013

91. brucelevy:
‘“that’s one greasy mf’er.’

Perhaps it could be:
“that’s one greasy mfof’er.”

93. ton2u - September 5, 2013

Tracy Ash 90:

“….archived copy of the San Francisco Chronicle (December 26, 1986) that featured a photo of Brian, with the caption “Curator Brian Flynn in the Goethe Academy at the Fellowship of Friends community of Renaissance”.

Tim, are you able to post links here to the aforementioned?

94. Tim Campion - September 7, 2013

Carlton,

Here is a link to a transcription of the original article on microfilm. Unfortunately, it does not include the photographs.

http://robertearlburton.blogspot.com/1986/12/an-unlikely-art-colony-commune-in.html

95. silentpurr - September 9, 2013

Gracious! Master Flynn slings an especially well-hewned feminine dominance, but it misses.

96. yesrib - September 9, 2013

Jeeze loueeze, there should be an 8×10 glossy of this douche-bag next to the word DOUCHE-BAG in the dictionary.

97. Tim Campion - September 11, 2013

For those interested, I have added some old newspaper articles to the Robert Earl Burton blog. They offer a bit of Fellowship history, and serve as a reminder of how mind control techniques have persisted since the cult’s beginning.

The Fellowship of Friends, The Sacramento Bee, August 22, 1976

Retreat’s ruler: Stealer of minds or a superman? The Sacramento Bee, June 23, 1985

A visitor’s evening among Friends
, The Sacramento Bee, June 23, 1985

98. swhite44 - September 12, 2013

Rather old Tim, anything more current?

99. Tim Campion - September 12, 2013

swhite44,

Yes, there several hundred “more current” entries on that blog.

100. ton2u - September 12, 2013

Thank you Tim!

101. paul gregory - September 21, 2013

Oh dear, a long rant. Sorry. It chimes in with some things I have just read…

I am drawn to a story about Meher Baba and his close followers I heard and can only repeat inexactly from memory. He asked them ‘What have you gained from the time you have spent in my presence?’
They answered ‘Love!’ or ‘An appreciation of others in the unfolding of the whim of our drop-souls’, or whatever.
‘What have you gained, Francis?’ he asked of Francis Brabazon, his court poet.
‘Consciousness’ he says. ‘Since I have been with you my consciousness has increased enormously…’
Baba says ‘No, not your consciousness. That has increased not one iota! it is your Awareness that has increased.’

This blog represents awareness, an awareness that is lacking in the school of students. Awareness is breaking out of this blog and the Greater Fellowship in floods that would float armadas, and though I have hardly any idea at all of what Awareness really is or could be, I don’t need to read a book about it or contribute to round robin emails pondering the subject. In the fellowship and much new age literature, ‘Consciousness’ is the be-all and end all. Students pay for consciousness and get it by paying pretty much every minute of every day. By meditational exercises, by attending dinners and meetings and cultural events, by doing the sequence and all the other worthy mind-wanks. The psychological payment is many times greater than the fiscal one, though they are, in effect, payment machines. Paying to take part in the spectacle of consciousness by the monthly payment plan with additional surcharges applying. it costs a lot to attend this Renaissance Faire. But I think one of the major payments students must make is in Awareness. It must be, because they have none, they believe the nonsense mind games of Fellowship of Friends Consciousness. That a serial rapist can possess something desirable, that it’s worth paying and dressing up to be around this shiny illusion – a fake of reality, a cheap fix. The same pattern is found in all cults. Like a dog chasing it’s tail, or ants spinning circles desperately until they die, no matter how much you seek or try or experience ‘divine’ presence, you are a sounding bell that rings emptily without Awareness. Without Awareness, without Conscience, without Compassion, without Love.

44! OMG’s. So what? It’s two time Twenty Two, a catch, and it lacks God.

The Fellowship of Friends costs too much, as is evidenced by the fact of it’s slight cultural achievements – painting of a guy with a hard-on, rehashes of classical culture bastardized and misinterpreted, and the ludicrous and godless mysticism of counting things in art, furniture and cultural artifacts. Mountains of joy and creativity discarded as not being ‘ark certified’. An ark of tailors dummies, barren. The failure to produce a self-sufficient and profitable centre, instead, a perpetual drain and draw. A pollo. Were Awareness allowed into the Fellowship, it’s culture would flower so much more. But it can’t come in. Because that’s the price. People are working too hard. Being refined. Awakening in the Fellowship of Friends. Do not Disturb.

Leaving the Fellowship brings Awareness back into that persons experience. It must do. And that Awareness must be worth everything, however painful, than the relics of Fellowship of Friends Consciousness it washes through and begins to cleanse. I wonder if consciousness has ever really been Consciousness without Awareness? What is the worth of something that is only a half of experience? The payment is not to know, and that is terribly costly and bothersome, and the reward is to continue in ‘enlightened’ ignorance, chasing after ‘gods’ and signs like they do in Battlestar Galactica or anything about Rome with Elizabeth Taylor in it.

Students are homunculi within the test tube of Robert Burton’s imaginary picture of consciousness. It is an airless mirage of a Hollywood Epic. Fools Gold, even though it appears to make some rich with it. This is why Girard Haven cannot genuinely get up and walk. He lacks the Awareness to see the worthless prison he has created within spectacle after spectacle of consciousness and ‘verification’ and Robert Burton and Girard Haven and his followers. He has twinned himself with a monster and made a house in it’s shadow, a proper Dr Strangelove.

In reality, Robert Burton is to ‘Consciousness’ what Dr. Sheldon Cooper is to foreplay.

Now imagine the price it must pay. To experience the awareness he has drained from others in its fullest totality. To be at the receiving end of his own endlessly horrific blow-job. Awareness of the unnaturalness of it, the disgusting artificiality of it, and of the cruelty wrought on souls. By crap like ‘Feminine Dominance’, and ‘Alchemy’, for example.

Isn’t it ‘Feminine Dominance’ to be enslaved to another man’s system? Doesn’t fear hold one back? Or is it just an excuse to act like a callous and unconscionably criminal prick?

What’s wrong with children? Dancing? You get pulled out of your mind and brought into Awareness. It’s joyful and spontaneous and irrepressibly live. Moments with God are like Dancing. Everyone is invited and it’s free. Awareness is feminine, and Consciousness masculine, and neither one greater than the other, but interdependent and ever flowing. You’ll have to tell me if it’s right or not.

The Fellowship of Friends is literally Robert Burtons paid for Gold and Diamond encrusted finger/mouth/ring piece, and it smells fishy. No one knows where it’s been, and the ’emperor’ wears no clothes.

Someone, what do you think?

102. WhaleRider - September 21, 2013

Paul, thank you for your fine post.

IMO, you hit upon the psychotic core of the Fellowship cult: the insanity of paying for diminished and/or Balkanized awareness in the guise of increasing “consciousness”.

The hidden, and one could say addictive agenda of the cult’s idea of paying for “consciousness” is the external validation, sense of belonging and ultimate dependency that cult membership brings…all at the expense of conscience, compassion, humanity, and love.

Rant on!

103. paul gregory - September 21, 2013

Aha! Thank you so much, WhaleRider!

104. To Whom It May Concern - September 26, 2013

The San Francisco Center is inviting our friends from Apollo and the Bay Area to a special event on Wednesday, September 25th.

On that day (and throughout the week) the SF Public Library system will hold its Annual book sale in Fort Mason
(http://www.friendssfpl.org/?Big_Book_Sale for details).

Literally, there will be tens of thousands of books on sale
which will spread all over the city and beyond.
We therefore ask for your support with bookmarking during this fair.

Bookmarks will be provided.

105. Barbara - September 27, 2013

40. Tracey Ash – August 19, 2013
Just emulating sly man Mr. Gurdjieff as in “Meetings with remarkable men” and his trips in Egypt playing tricks on tourists…

106. Wondering Who’s Watching - September 27, 2013

Supercelestial thoughts; subterranean actions.

107. Terra Nova - September 27, 2013

It’s interesting that the one time that there was an opportunity to legally prosecute R.B. for sexually taking advantage of his role, the victim was a minor whose parents, who were both students, gave into greed for money by agreeing to ‘settle the matter’ out of court. And by doing so, they seem to have settled the matter.

108. paul gregory - September 27, 2013

Robert Burton is the Opium of ‘The people’.
It’s like nitrous oxide without the laughter.
He is in fact a criminal on a par with Aleister Crowley.
Amazing ‘C’ influence revelation.
Sixty Five blow jobs on the appropriate birthday means your going down.
Sixty Five Million Years?

Ponders, Quizzically.

109. brucelevy - September 27, 2013

107. Terra Nova

You clearly know nothing about the internal facts of the trial and settlement and factors taken into consideration, or even who made the determination to settle. But that profound ignorance doesn’t stop you from pulling your definitive judgement out of your
ass.

110. brucelevy - September 27, 2013

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-benscoter/extremist-brain_b_3998314.html

“…Extremist leaders are addicts. Addiction is a powerful force. The addiction to power and/or money can affect the brain much like other types of addiction. The overwhelming desire to feed any form of addiction can eventually lead to a type of psychopathy. In the most dangerous circumstances charismatic leaders, under the influence of their addiction, can make a powerful and potentially deadly discovery. They can discover, and put into action, a set of manipulative tactics that prey on vulnerable segments of society.”

111. brucelevy - September 27, 2013

“…We need a dual approach in ongoing discussions and to solve this problem. We need high-level strategic research of the brain to better understand addiction and vulnerability to manipulation. On the ground level, we need social understanding and education. Once we arm individuals with knowledge about vulnerability to manipulation they can better protect themselves and others. We can help the most vulnerable diminish their feelings of isolation, so that they can make informed, powerful decisions based on critical thinking vs. circular logic. Working together, we can ensure a less destructive world.”

112. swhite44 - September 27, 2013

109. brucelevy
Perhaps you could clarify and thereby inform.

113. swhite44 - September 27, 2013

about the case I mean

114. brucelevy - September 28, 2013

I know as little about it as you, that’s my point…pulling judgments out of one’s ass with little to back it up beyond one’s narcissism.

115. inthebeginningwasthevoid - September 30, 2013

108. paul gregory – September 27, 2013

“…He is in fact a criminal on a par with Aleister Crowley.”

Crowley is known as a magician, occultist, and Satanist indulged in child sacrifice. He said: “A white male child of perfect innocence and intelligence makes the most suitable victim.”
Crowley himself was terribly decadent. A happily heroin-addicted, bisexual Satan worshiper, he asked people to call him “The Beast 666.” Crowley believed that he was literally the antimessiah of the apocalypse.

During the first World War, Crowley transferred his activities to America. The press proclaimed him “the wickedest man in the world.” He also spent time in Italy, but was expelled because Italian authorities accused his disciples of sacrificing human infants in occult rituals.

(Barbara Bush wife of President George H. Bush is the daughter of Aleister Crowley.)

SATANISM- From the official website of the Church of Satan.
“We are the first above-ground organization in history openly
dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a
carnal beast, living in a cosmos that is indifferent to our
existence. To us, Satan is the symbol that best suits the
nature of we who are carnal by birth—people who feel no battles
raging between our thoughts and feelings, we who do not embrace
the concept of a soul imprisoned in a body.

He represents pride,liberty, and individualism—qualities often defined as Evil by
those who worship external deities, who feel there is a war between
their minds and emotions. As Anton LaVey explained in his classic
work The Satanic Bible, Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods,
doing so because many of our species cannot accept or control their
personal egos, feeling compelled to conjure up one or a multiplicity
of characters who can act without hindrance or guilt upon whims and
desires.

All Gods are thus externalized forms, magnified projections
of the true nature of their creators, personifying aspects of the universe
or personal temperaments which many of their followers find to be troubling.

Worshipping any God is thus worshipping by proxy those who invented that God.
Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of
bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such
mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective
universe as his own highest value. We Satanists are thus our own “Gods,”
and as beneficent “deities” we can offer love to those who deserve it and
deliver our wrath (within reasonable limits) upon those who seek to cause
us—or that which we cherish—harm. Magus Gilmore’s essay “What, The Devil?”
from The Satanic Scriptures discusses this in greater detail.”

How this analogy could help us understand RB”?

Paul, could you ponder o this?

116. swhite44 - September 30, 2013

I don’t see any mention of Aleister Crowley re. Barbara Bush in Wiki:

Barbara Pierce was born at Booth Memorial Hospital in Manhattan, in New York City, and raised in the suburban town of Rye, New York.[1] She was the third child of Pauline Robinson (1896–1949) and her husband Marvin Pierce (1893–1969), who later became president of McCall Corporation, the publisher of the popular women’s magazines Redbook and McCall’s. Her siblings include Martha Pierce Rafferty (1920–1999); James Pierce (1921–1993), and Scott Pierce (born 1930). Her ancestor Thomas Pierce, an early New England colonist, was also an ancestor of Franklin Pierce, the 14th president of the United States. She is the fourth cousin, four times removed, and the second cousin, five times removed, of President Franklin Pierce.[2]

117. idanevasayneva - October 1, 2013

Also Wikipedia does omit to mention that George W Bush is therefore the Spawn of Satan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

118. swhite44 - October 1, 2013

Yes that’s a suspicious omission.
I notice Martha Rafferty is also related.
“Her siblings include Martha Pierce Rafferty”

119. Barbara - October 2, 2013

The issue issue is not about Barbara Bush; is about the analogy between Aleister Crowley and Robert Burton according to post 108. paul gregory – September 27, 2013

“…He is in fact a criminal on a par with Aleister Crowley.”

From: http://www.whale.to/c/george.html

Aleister Crowley, a.k.a., “The Great Beast 666” — the infamous practitioner of “sex magick” whose motto was “Do What Thou Wilt”

The year 1924 has a special significance in the Crowley chronology. At this time, he is said to have undergone the “supreme ordeal” connected with his attainment of the Grade of Ipsissimus, the highest magickal achievement within his order. The exact nature of this ordeal remains mysterious. I believe that an important clue can be found in his description of the rite of Eroto-Comotose Lucidity:

The Candidate is made ready for the Ordeal by general athletic training, and by feasting. On the appointed day he is attended by one or more chosen and experienced attendants whose duty is (a) to exhaust him sexually by every known means (b) to rouse him sexually by every known means. Every device and artifice of the courtesan is to be employed, and every stimulant known to the physician. Nor should the attendants reck of danger, but hunt down ruthlessly their appointed prey.

Finally the Candidate will into a sleep of utter exhaustion, resembling coma, and it is now that delicacy and skill must be exquisite. Let him be roused from this sleep by stimulation of a definitely and exclusively sexual type. Yet if convenient, music wisely regulated will assist.

The attendants will watch with assiduity for signs of waking; and the moment these occur, all stimulation must cease instantly, and the Candidate be allowed to fall again into sleep; but no sooner has this happened than the former practice is resumed. This alteration is to continue indefinitely until the Candidate is in a state which is neither sleep nor waking, and in which his Spirit, set free by perfect exhaustion of the body, and yet prevented from entering the City of Sleep, communes with the Most High and the Most Holy Lord God of its being, maker of heaven and earth.

The Ordeal terminates by failure—the occurrence of sleep invincible— or by success, in which ultimate waking is followed by a final performance of the sexual act. The Initiate may then be allowed to sleep, or the practice may be renewed and persisted in until death ends all. The most favourable death is that occurring during the orgasm, and is called Mors Justi.

As it is written: Let me die the death of the Righteous, and let my last end be like his!

120. Barbara - October 2, 2013

From: 2012 and Human Destiny:
End of the World or Consciousness Revolution?
Stanislav Grof, M.D.

http://www.stanislavgrof.com/pdf/2012%20Human.Destiny-w.pic.ref_2012.pdf

“It is less immediately evident and requires some explanation why and how experiences and observations from the study of holotropic states can throw new light on the problem of the Mayan prophecy. The key consideration in this regard is that powerful consciousness-expanding procedures (“technologies of the sacred”) played an integral and essential role in the Mayan culture. We have ample pictorial evidence on Mayan stone stelae, sculptures, and
ceramics that they used for this purpose the Mexican cactus peyote (Lophophora williamsii), magic mushrooms (Psilocybe mexicana or coerulescens known to the Indians as Xibalba okox or teonanacatl), and skin secretions of the toad Bufo marinus. Additional plant materials used in pre-Hispanic Mesoamerica were the morning glory seeds (Ipomoea violacea) called by the natives ololiuqui, Salvia divinatorum, also known as diviner’s sage, wild tobacco (Nicotiana rustica), and balche (a fermented drink made from the tree Lonchocarpus longistylus and honey).

A powerful and specifically Mayan mind-altering technique was massive bloodletting induced by using lancets made of stingray spines, flint, or obsidian to wound the tongue, earlobes, and genitals (Schele and Miller 1986, Grof 1994). Ritual bloodletting opened up an experiential realm that was not ordinarily accessible before the time of biological death. The Mayans used the symbol of the Vision Serpent for the experiences induced by blood loss and shock. This symbol represented the contact between the everyday world of human beings and the world of gods and sacred ancestors, who were expected to appear in their visions in the supernatural realms. The lancet was perceived as a sacred object with enormous power; it was personified in the form of the Perforator God.

Because of the extraordinary importance that these “technologies of the sacred” had in the Mayan culture, it is reasonable to assume that visionary experiences induced by them might have provided inspiration for the prophecy concerning 2012 and played a major role in its articulation. It is thus fully justified to look at this prophecy through the prism of the discoveries of modern consciousness research.”

121. windsofchange - October 2, 2013

Last June we had our Greater Fellowship Reunion… Around 60 people gathered in Lake Francis Resort. It was really sweet. But only one current member of the FOF attended only the opening dinner at Round Up Pizza, that was Mr. Ch.S. – How in the world an opportunity like this can be missed so bad? – What does this say basically? “We don’t give a fuck” kind of…
Wondering Who’s Watching (106) makes sense…
“Supercelestial thoughts; subterranean actions”

122. Ill Never Tell - October 2, 2013

107. Terra Nova – September 27, 2013:

‘It’s interesting that the one time that there was an opportunity to legally prosecute R.B. for sexually taking advantage of his role, the victim was a minor whose parents, who were both students, gave into greed for money by agreeing to ‘settle the matter’ out of court. And by doing so, they seem to have settled the matter.’

If you are who I think you are, dear, you were close to being a minor at the time the above incident(s) and legal action took place. (So innocent and impressionable the young are – not to mention the malleability of memory. But that is not what is important here.) You probably were not aware of (or, do not remember, yourself) how abusive in nature the T.B./R.E.B. relationship was. Additionally, there was the abusive nature of the R.B.(aka R.L., T.B.’s father)/R.E.B. relationship of rape. These were only the tip of the iceberg of what went on behind the scenes of the satyriasis of R.E.B. (or whatever you want to call that sexual addiction R.E.B. has – Aleister Crowley’s purported escapades might pale in comparison). Then there was the extreme abuse wielded by A.G. (God rest his soul) and Associates, the FoF lawyer from Chicago, upon those victims, and all and any persons near and dear to them (witness intimidation strategy of a gangland nature). Were you to have gone through all of this abuse, you would have had a nervous breakdown!!! Settling the matter was more an issue of ending all the abuse as it was a matter of getting money for all this trouble. Then there was the desire to seal the case prior to R.E.B. being compelled to testify in an open court of law and the public record that that would create. (Imagine Ford Greene, attorney who represented T.B., examining R.E.B. on the subject of their relationship;-)

123. jomopinata - October 2, 2013

107/Terra Nova

Let’s not mix up civil cases with criminal prosecutions. Civil cases are brought by individuals to recover for wrongs done to them. Criminal cases are brought by prosecutors on behalf of the public.

115/ (Barbara Bush/Aleister Crowley controversy)

Here is the post that encapsulates that “controversy”:

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html

Of course, it’s a hoax. But you have to admit, the faces of Barbara Bush and Aleister Crowley, as they appear here, do resemble one another.

124. jomopinata - October 2, 2013

One wonders if the author of the Barbara Bush/Aleister Crowley hoax also had a hand in this:

http://www.readability.com/articles/cro7rs0g

125. ryanopoo - October 3, 2013

Bruce Levy 110 and 111

Any current FOF members tuning in?

The test of whether an action is conscious is whether it can be stopped.

Blow job bob is a delusional, chronic addict. He can’t stop, neither does he want to. The fellowship has become a joke, it crumbles while Bob gobbles and slurps.

126. ton2u - October 3, 2013

122 INT
(Imagine Ford Greene, attorney who represented T.B., examining R.E.B. on the subject of their relationship;-)

i think the “legaleze” / jargon for the situation is “breach of fiduciary responsibility” — maybe jomo can help us out here… otherwise you can “google” the term and consider the ordeal of so many naive young “chelas” at the hands, mouth, anus, etc, of blow-job-bob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chela

“These were only the tip of the iceberg of what went on behind the scenes of the satyriasis of R.E.B. (or whatever you want to call that sexual addiction R.E.B. has….”

the double entedre is so apropos…. for those with the stomach for it, the back pages here describe much more than just the “tip.”

127. Bares Reposting - October 3, 2013

ArkansasBob: THE BURTON ASSRAM

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ArkansasBob/info

THE BURTON ASSRAM, FELLOWSHIP OF FRIENDS,
GURDJIEFF-OUSPENSKY CENTRES bookmarks, RENAISSANCE Vineyard-Winery, APOLLO, CA, Oregon House, Yuba County, CA FROM Case#060209, Yuba County:”Burton explicitly told Troy [17 year old son of a member] that the “angels” wanted Troy to disrobe, and the “angels” wanted Troy to submit to Burton’s advances because Burton himself was an “angel”, a goddess in a man’s body.”
EVIL: Case # 060209 Fellowship of Friends Cult Center Rick Ross Stella Wirk New American Wing Randazzo Book Review 1 Burton’s First “School”
Russian Site
Burton Website #1 Girard Haven DIRTY DEALS FOF Cult Information”We are the greatest school since Christ’s.” -Robert Burton

128. Bares Reposting - October 3, 2013

Case # 060209
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ArkansasBob/conversations/topics/5

First posted at: [bad link now] oro.net/~ofbyfornews

Fellowship Of Friends-A Cult In Oregon House, California.
Another lawsuit filed against F.O.F/Renaissance Vineyard &
Winery, Robert Burton, Girard Haven, Abraham Goldman, Helga
Ruth Mueller, and Clair Bowen–directors of Fellowship of
Friends, Inc. The lawsuit brought by Troy Buzbee and filed
on April 29, 1996 in the County of Yuba.
Complaint for Damages is in Case # 060209

1. Fraud
2. Intentional infliction of emotional distress
3. Negligent infliction of emotional distress
4. Breach of fiduciary duty
5. Negligent supervision
6. Sexual misconduct with a minor
7. Sexual harassment
8. Wrongful discharge
9. Negligence
10. Failure to pay minimum wage
11. Battery

Fellowship Of Friends Cult – By Michelle M. Milligan

“Within the pages of the case are facts and details concerning sexual
and perverted acts practiced by Burton, his philosophies and
ideologies expected of the members.”

According to the case, Robert Burton, “The Teacher”, as referred to
by members, began the corporation Fellowship of Friends in 1971.

The “Fourth Way philosophy is taught and practiced by the Fellowship
of Friends.

The location of The Fellowship of Friends herein referred to as the
F.O.F. is in Oregon House, however the F.O.F. refers to their
location rather as “The Renaissance”.

Troy Buzbee’s father became a member of the F.O.F. in 1976. Richard
Buzbee’s son Troy was only seven years of age. Richard Buzbee was
told that if he paid his teaching payments each month and followed
the tasks and suggestions of the teacher, Robert Burton that he would
enter “the way,” become “conscious” and “immortal.” He was told that
Burton was a “conscious being” and that he was “celibate.” He was
told that he could trust Burton completely with his body and soul.
From 1976 through May 1994 Troy’s father was a member of the
Fellowship of Friends.

As Plaintiff Troy Buzbee grew up he regarded Robert Burton as a God.
According to the case distinction between Burton and Troy’s father
were not clear to him at times. Troy Buzbee became a member on
October 10, 19[?]6 when he was 17 years of age, virgin.

After Defendant Burton and Defendant corporation Fellowship Of
Friends, INC’s factual representations and undue influence caused
Troy Buzbee to lose his ability to think independently, he became
increasingly subject to the domination, control and undue influence
practiced, implemented, and used by said Defendants. In direct
consequence of such deception, coercive persuasion, brainwashing and
undue influence, Defendant Burton used Troy Buzbee, among hundreds of
other young men, for the partial gratification of his satyriasis, an
uncontrollable compulsion to engage in sexual conduct with scores, if
not hundreds, of men. In addition thereof, Defendant Burton exploited
Troy Buzbee for the provision of cheap labor, well under the minimum
wage. Said exploitation continued off and on until the time when Troy
Buzbee terminated his membership with Fellowship of Friends, Inc., in
August 1994.

Commencing in December 1986, Burton, would have “teaching dinners”
during which he would ply Troy with alcoholic beverages. After one
particular such meal in December 1986, Burton instructed Troy to come
to Burton’s room and to shut and lock the door. Burton told Troy that
Burton was “an angel in a man’s body”, and the gods wished for Troy
to be close to Burton. Defendant Burton then held in an embrace.
Defendant Burton said, “influence C wishes you to be close with
me. “He repeatedly assured Troy that his “soul was not (his) body,
and that the angels wished for (Troy) to be with (Burton).” Burton
explicitly told Troy that the “angels” wanted Troy to disrobe, and
the “angels” wanted Troy to submit to Burton’s sexual advances
because Burton himself was an “angel”, a goddess in a man’s body.”

Burton said to Troy, “I promise you I am an angel in a man’s
body.” “You have to remember that I did not write the play about
Robert Burton.” Burton would kiss Troy on the forehead which he said
represented the seat of the soul and then instruct Troy to “separate”
from his body and just “let go”. Burton reminded Troy that Troy’s
body would soon decay while his soul was immortal. Burton told Troy
that he would talk to him after he died using the same soft voice he
used at the time. Burton explained that for him the interaction with
Troy went beyond conventional sex and into “supersex”, which was a
method characterological evolution. Defendant Burton stated, “My
sexuality is on the level of Super-Sex.” From December ’86–
April ’94, Troy submitted to Burton’s demands, which were: Drop out
of college, provide Burton with sexual favors and provide hour long
massages after Burton had been sexually serviced.

Burton used money from the corporation to pay other members for
performing specific sexual acts. In denominations of $50 or $100. The
case mentions one case of “specific sexual acts” performed on Burton
by Karl Feldman, Troy Buzbee’s best friend. Burton spoke openly about
his sexuality in the form of jokes at the all-male dinners that he
would often lavishly host at all-male, all-you-can- drink “symposiums.”
He would boast that “one hundred boys would not
be enough(for his sexual appetite).”Troy worked at the gatehouse on
F.O.F. property. Burton directed certain members who are “guards” to
arm themselves with firearm-type weapons. Burton then had him become
his “personal” guard. During the next four years Troy observed
numerous men in Burton’s room in a single night. Troy was asked to
massage Burton after his lovers left.

According to the case, Burton suffers from sexually transmitted
diseases. He made no effort to tell Troy. As a consequence, Troy
acquired viral herpes. In addition, Troy suffered from stomach
ulcers. Renaissance Vineyard & Winery, Inc. was built as a bomb-
shelter in obeisance to Defendant Burton’s prophecies regarding
massive and wide-spread disaster and chaos in the near future.
Defendant Burton uses Renaissance Vineyard & Winery, Inc as his alter
ego in the same way he uses Defendant Fellowship Of Friends, Inc.

According to the case…..

At all times mentioned herein Defendants Girard Haven, Abraham
Goldman (also an attorney), Helga Ruth Mueller, and Clair Bowen were
members of the board of directors of the Defendant corporation,
Fellowship Of Friends, INC.

At all times mentioned herein all of the Defendants were acting as
the agents and servants of each other and in doing the acts
complained of acted within the scope of their agency and employment
and at the direction and with the knowledge and ratification of the
other Defendants.

The Defendant Burton at all times mentioned herein, dominated,
influenced, and controlled, and does now dominate, influence and
control the Defendant corporations and the directors and officers
thereof, as well as the business, property and affairs of the
Defendant corporations.

At all times mentioned herein, there existed and does now exist, a
unity of interest and ownership between the Defendant Burton and the
Defendant corporations; the individuality and separateness of said
Defendant and Defendant corporations has ceased; and despite
knowledge of these facts, Defendant corporations and its officers and
directors have had notice of acquiesced in and agreed, consented to,
and ratified the conduct of Defendant Burton as herein alleged, At
all times since its corporation to the present time, the Defendant
corporations have been and are now a mere shell and naked framework
which the Defendant Burton has used and does now use as a conduit for
the conduct of his personal business, property and affairs.

Defendant corporations are subject to a unity of control, and its
corporate structure was created as an attempt to avoid payment of
taxes and civil judgments and to confuse courts and those seeking
redress for these Defendant’s acts. Due to the unity of personnel,
commingling of assets, and commonality of business objectives, these
Defendant’s attempts at separation of Defendant corporations and
Defendant Burton should be disregarded.

Defendant Robert Burton directs, controls and operates Defendant
corporations and uses them to enforce his orders and carry out his
attacks on groups, agencies or individuals, including the acts
against Troy alleged herein, to the extent there is no separate
identity between Burton and said Defendant corporations and any claim
of such separate identity should be disregarded.

The Defendant corporations were created and are being continued and
maintained pursuant to a fraudulent plant, scheme and device, created
and operated by the Defendant Burton, whereby the benefits and
product of the income and revenue of the Defendant corporations are
diverted to the use and enjoyment of the Defendant Burton through the
Defendant corporations to himself while concealing the truth of his
financial relationship with Defendant corporations.

Prior to the formation of F.O.F. and Renaissance Vineyard & Winery,
Burton formed a conspiracy in concert between the corporations for
the express purpose and intent of developing and implementing
a plan and scheme which would permit Burton and co-conspirators to:

a. use, abuse and exploit the fiduciary relationship between the
Defendant Burton and the Defendant corporation Fellowship Of Friends,
INC,, on one hand and the members of and contributors to the
Defendant corporation Fellowship Of Friends, INC,, on the other hand
for their own personal unlawful gain; and

b. to use, abuse and exploit the fiduciary relationship between the
Defendant Burton, as ‘founding minister’, and selective members of
the Defendant corporation Fellowship Of Friends, INC., for the
express purpose and intent of performing unlawful and perverted
sexual acts upon the persons of said members, including Troy, and by
causing certain of the members, including Troy, to work for Defendant
corporation Renaissance Vineyard & Winery, INC., and Defendant
corporation Fellowship Of Friends, INC.

That all times pertinent hereto, the Defendant corporation Fellowship
Of Friends, INC., and the Defendant Renaissance Vineyard and Winery,
INC, were formed and operated by Burton and said other Defendants for
their sole and exclusive aggrandizement and to create an ambiance of
neo-religious import which was and is currently being used by Burton
and the other Defendants to manipulate, unduly influence, and control
the minds, bodies, and the assets of the members of the Defendant
corporations for the sole and exclusive purpose of 1) satisfying
Burton’s satyriasis-his voracious appetite for perverted sexual
pleasure and elegant life-style; and 2) diverting the contributions
and donations of the membership to their own use and purposes.

Members of the Fellowship are required to donate ever-increasing sums
of money as they become further and further vested as members of the
Fellowship with the caveat that when donations required of them are
not timely and completely made their membership is either revoked or
they become indentured servants of the Defendant corporation in
residence at its principal place of business for nominal compensation
and required to perform degrading menial tasks of a full-time basis
at the whim and caprice of the Defendant Burton and other authorized
representatives of the corporate Defendant Fellowship Of Friends,
INC., and Defendant Renaissance Vineyard And Winery, INC. All
donations made by members of the Fellowship are devoted either to the
continuing worldwide recruitment of new and replacement members with
fresh money to contribute to “the cause,” or the acquisition of
assets, including but not limited to, Defendant Renaissance Vineyard
and Winery, INC,, which are ostensibly being acquired for the use and
benefit of the membership but which are in reality being acquired for
the personal benefit and aggrandizement of Defendant Burton and some
or all of the other individual Defendants named herein.

Meanwhile, Defendant Burton annexes free and unfettered use and
enjoyment in and to the assets of the Defendant corporation
Fellowship Of Friends, INC., Defendant corporation Renaissance
Vineyard And Winery, INC., and the benefits to be derived there from,
including, but not limited to, the provision money for bribes to
young male members to prostitute themselves in an intensification of
Defendant Burton’s compulsion and demand for sexual servicing of his
long-standing state of satyriasis.

The entire, purpose, scope and extent of the aforesaid plan and
scheme as implemented by said Defendants is to effectively deny the
members of the Defendant corporation Fellowship Of Friends,
INC., not only the right to participate in its rituals and teachings
on an ongoing basis but also, and of equal importance, to deny
members of said Defendant corporation, including Plaintiff, of their
just right to participate as beneficiaries entitled to use and enjoy
the property of said Defendant corporation.

Troy suffered from fright, horror, grief, shame, anger, humiliation,
embarrassment, chagrin, disappointment, worry, self-loathing, self-
betrayal and self distrust.

Haven, Goldman[,] Mueller, Bowen knew of all these afore-mentioned
practices of Burton. They have agreed and abetted Burton in his
efforts. They knew of Burton’s diseases and said nothing.
At all times pertinent hereto, Defendant Burton, and the other
Defendants, caused Troy’s mental and emotional centers to become
deceptively and coercively inculcated with the following tenets:

a. Defendant Burton communicated with “C-influence” which was
provided by “44 angels” which were each individually named including,
but not limited to, Jesus, “Benjamin Franklin,” “Lincoln” and “Bach,”
and that Burton was the Fellowship’s only connection with
said “angels.”

b. Defendant was and is the most important person on the planet since
Christ. Defendant Burton claims a numerology of consciousness where
he has already advanced to a man number 7.3, with Christ being a man
number 8. Burton is above man-made laws, a moral law unto himself.

c. “C-influence” brought Troy to the Fellowship and Defendant Burton,
and that Troy’s interactions with Defendant Burton would be the most
important relationship that Troy could ever have.

d. Defendant Burton is assisted by “C-influence” to guide the
spiritual evolution of the member “students” with “shocks” designed
to help them “awaken”.

e. The members of the Fellowship are special, and set apart by higher
forces for survival. Members of Defendant Burton’s “inner circle”
must associate only among Fellowship members must disregard non-
members, and demonize ex-members who are critical of Burton whom “the
gods” will “destroy.” Such ex-members’ opportunities for growth and
development are terminated failing to submit to Burton.

f. Defendant Burton possesses gift of prophecy that is infallible.

g. In 1998 California will “fall” in huge earthquake whereupon people
will die in massive numbers.

h. In 2006 there will be an Armageddon, where all humans everywhere
except for members of the Fellowship will be expunged by higher
forces.

i. Members of the Fellowship will inherit the world’s material goods
and act as the “Ark” for a new civilization based on that of the
Greeks of about 450 B.C., and are thus presently preparing themselves
to bear the torch of civilization now and in the future.

j. By following Defendant Burton’s directives so as to gain “being”
(depth of character) through separating from suffering and immersing
themselves in culture, mostly Western art, classical music, opera and
ballet, Fellowship members, including Troy, are preparing themselves
for being the “Ark”.

k. Everything the members of the Fellowship, including Troy, had
learned since birth was “false” and caused him to exist in a kind
of “waking sleep.” The Defendant Burton informed Troy that in order
to “awaken”, he had to replace what was “false” with what was “true”
which was defined as the system of ideas as The Fourth Way, including
all the “new” knowledge that Burton had added to that system.

l. Defendant Burton stated, and states, to the general Fellowship and
to Troy, that without “C-influence” Troy could not “awaken”.

m. Defendant Burton stated, and states, to the general Fellowship and
to Troy, that to “awaken” was the only way to avoid having the
purpose of his life be to provide “food for the moon.”

n. Defendant Burton stated, and states, that Troy’s people outside
the group as “life-people,” he said were “tragedies.” Burton said
Troy’s own mother was such a “life-person” and that the Fellowship
was Troy’s “real” family and Burton was his “Father.”

o. Defendant Burton stated, and states, to the general Fellowship and
to Troy, that any challenge to the extent of Burton’s excesses of
greed and satyriasis to be a lack of understanding of his practice
of “crazy wisdom” which he asserts that he must force himself to
perform is forcing himself to live that way for the good of the
members as a “lesson.”

Wish to read the rest and complete story, and even proof?
Send a self addressed long envelope, stamped to:
Of, By & For The People Newspaper
P.O. Box 1993
Marysville, California 95901
[May not be valid now.]

129. Bares Reposting - October 3, 2013

Arkansas Bob’s Squeal Like a Pig Cult
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ArkansasBob/conversations/topics/9

BBS: Toad Hall BBS
Date: 11-15-94 (01:54) Number: 44873
From: STELLA WIRK
To: MARCELLE (& OTHERS)
Subj: The next letter. COPY
———————————————————————-
—————-
LETTER RECEIVED RECENTLY; FWD COPY TO YOU F.Y.I.
November 1994

Dear friend,

In an attempt to prevent me from talking to others about my
experiences with him, Robert has forbidden me to come to Renaissance
(or Apollo). I write this letter for those who are interested.

When I came to Renaissance in the spring of 1986 I had been in the
school for one year. In the center I had been told numerous stories
by the center directors as to how a great, almost saintly person the
Teacher was. Having come to the Fellowship needy of emotional and
spiritual support I was willing to believe these reports at face
value.

After a few weeks of living at Renaissance, following a heavy
drinking ‘symposium’, Robert took me inside of one of the Academy
rooms and wanted to have sex with me.

When I told him that I did not want this because I had no homosexual
feelings, nor did I want to see myself assume those practices, Robert
dismissed my arguments by saying that I should externally consider
him as my teacher.

Partly out of fear for this ‘all powerful’ being, partly not to want
to feel guilty or judged, but largely because of the energy with
which Robert approached me, I was left with the feeling I had no
choice.

While Robert went about his business of trying to stimulate an orgasm
from me which he was going to receive orally I pointed out to him
that I was covering my face with my hands out of shame. Robert
retorted that this was a good opportunity for work for me.

This was the beginning of my functioning as a sexual servant which
lasted for several years.

In order to bear my plight I kept on telling myself that it was my
play to transform this kind of suffering and that learning selfless
servitude might eventually benefit my soul. I also tried to stimulate
in me the belief that since Robert was conscious, being in his
presence had to basically be a good thing.

Robert tried to assure me that what was going on between us was the
wish of C-Influence, and that the worst thing I could do was to
resist their plans. He also explained his attraction to men not as
homosexuality but as the result of his being an angel and a cosmos
above men, just like men’s attraction to women stemmed, he would add,
from men being in a cosmos above women.

It was when I eventually met a woman (soon to become my wife) who
cared enough to point out to me that it was up to me to take
responsibility for my life, that I found the third force needed to
let Robert know that I did not want to continue serving him in this
fashion.

He got very upset over this and from one day to the other what he had
called ‘love’ turned into hostility, resentment, and a total ignoring
of us as his students. It was here that it became really clear to me
that I had never been a ‘friend’ or a ‘student’ but had been used for
one sole purpose: Robert’s sexual gratification. There had been no
love, let alone conscious love.

In the five years that followed we have never been allowed to have
dinner with our ‘Teacher’, nor were we given consideration when we
asked for help during great medical expenses while working on salary
at Renaissance.

During this period Robert did, however, call me numerous times on the
phone asking me if I would again ‘come in his mouth’ (his words), for
which he would, among other things, offer to pay my voice lessons,
knowing that these were important to me and that I had a hard time
finding funding for them. Needless to say, at this point I never as
much responded to his requests or ‘offers’.

Much effort has been directed towards covering up information such as
which is disclosed in this letter. There has also been a collective
buffering among Fellowship members as regards Robert’s practices.

How can people who pride themselves in having evolved levels of being
tolerate this? I am convinced that many of the prevailing attitudes
in the Fellowship are based on religious faith, such as those
regarding unverifiable issues like Robert’s consciousness; the
Fellowship being an arc [sic] for a new civilization; the division of
humanity into ‘students’ and ‘life people’, and the alleged spiritual
superiority of Fellowship members over non-members.

I hope that you will have the courage to challenge your attitudes and
see them for what they are. For the sake of your evolution.

Your friend,

s/WP*
(*name withheld by request)
_____________________________________________________

[Following was first distributed in October 1994. All addresses
hereon have changed since then, and this piece not updated with new
address information.]
Hello all, (letter sent by Stella to email list of ex-FOF members)

Here’s a guy who is going to need friends to communicate with him and
he certainly will discover who [h]is friends *are*. Please respond to
him if you wish. Here is what I received from him in snail mail today
(October 13, 1994):

Mailed to Stella on Oct. 11, 1994 – Marysville, CA postmark

From Richard Laurel (Richard Buzbee, legal name)
Box 684
Oregon House, CA 95962

[A hand-written letter of introduction was attached atop a small pile
of papers, below:]

Hi Stella,
I don’t know if you can remember me. Richard Buzbee is my legal name.
I came from the Dallas, Texas center with my son back in 1977.
Reddish face, blonde hair and carrying around a lot of fear back
then, most of which I unloaded over time.

Here [enclosed] is a letter and two chapters that I sent out to all
people in the Fellowship that I knew. I was removed from the school
for sending it out, of course, and am now watching to see the
response, and to proceed to the next step which should make itself
clear hopefully. A group of students here at Renaissance is forming
and want to take steps to remove Robert. An obvious step is the legal
one but I would like to see what can be done by the group themselves.

If you have some ideas then please contact me. My phone # is 916-692-
1566 and my address is on the envelope. [see above]

I have read several books -“The Wrong Way Home,” “Captive Hearts –
Captive Minds,” “Combatting Cult Mind Control,” but the best by far
seems to be “The Guru Papers.” It has led me into the light and
helped me to take back my dignity as a human being – not a “chosen”
human being, not special, not lucky – just a human being trying to
make my way through this experience of life on planet earth. So from
one human being to another, I send you these things because I thought
you would be interested.

Richard.

[The following letter enclosed with the above hand-written message,
and, as Richard wrote, was sent to everyone he knew in FOF:]
Dear Friend,

I am writing to you and several others because I value your
friendship and regard you as someone with whom I can be honest and
open. I decided to write to you because there have been some stories
spreading through the school about myself and Robert, and I would
like to clarify the situation. Also, I’m afraid that what happened to
me is already being covered up and may soon disappear, like many
things that have happened to others before.

I was asked by Robert to buy a gun and become night guard at his
house. I accepted because I considered this to be an opportunity to
learn from him, and to protect him from harm. I went with complete
trust in Robert and a desire to serve. After accepting the position,
I was informed that one of the duties required of all guards was to
give Robert massages when he asked for them.

One morning, as I massaged Robert’s back, without saying a word he
sat me at the head of his bed on my knees. He then pulled down my
pants, began sucking my penis, and asked me to come in his mouth.
This was all done without my consent, very impersonally, without
concern for me as a human being (married with a family), and without
concern for me as a student wishing guidance to evolve. I felt
betrayed and used by the man who I thought was my spiritual father. I
quit the job and went off salary.

You might imagine that having sex with Robert is different from
having sex with other people, that Robert somehow uses sex for
teaching, or that it would make you more emotional, closer to the
miraculous. But it wasn’t emotional, and involved no teaching. While
Robert was using me for sex, I was nothing more than an object,
something to be used to satisfy his own sexual desires.
Afterward, when I began discussing this experience with some of my
closest friends, I discovered that many of them had been used by
Robert for sex in a similar way. However, the greatest shock came
from my son Troy, who told me that Roert had been actively pursuing
him for sex from the time he entered the school–at age seventeen.
While he was growing up, I taught Troy that Robert was like a God,
someone he could trust fully in every regard. I thus unknowingly set
him up to be used by Robert for sex.

Robert had told Troy (and many others with whom I have subsequently
spoken), that C Influence wanted Troy to have sex with him. Robert
also offered money and privileges in exchange for sex. During sex,
Robert uses no protection against AIDS, herpes, or any other sexually
transmitted disease, despite the fact that he has sex with many
partners. On many of the nights I was a guard at his house, there was
a succession of male students coming and going from his room.
If Robert removes me from the Fellowship because I have distributed
this letter, I want you to know that I will still consider myself a
member, and will support the school in any way I can. This our school-
-we have built it and paid for it. As a group, we have accumulated so
much being; some people have been working on themselves for twenty
years or more. To walk away from the school after learning about
Robert’s actions is to say that the school is his, and that we are
powerless. But this is not true. We just need to trust ourselves and
have the courage to come together and say no to actions that harm us.
We not only have the right to do this, we also have the
responsibility to bring the facts about Robert’s activities into the
open, where they can be fairly considered by all of his students.

Since this experience with Robert, I have been given several books by
other people who have had similar experiences with him, and who were
trying to understand the reasons for it. With this letter, I am
enclosing chapters from two books that speak directly to our
situation in the Fellowship. [Chapters not included here.]

Please feel free to share my letter and these chapters with other
students. I would be interested in receiving a note or letter from
you as to your thoughts and suggestions about what I’ve written here.
Perhaps a plan of action will evolve through our efforts together. I
sincerely hope this letter will encourage others to speak openly
about Robert, the school, and their experiences. If the school is
healthy, it should stand up under any honest inquiry.
In friendship,
Richard Laurel (a.k.a. Richard Buzbee)
October 1994
=============================================================
[As I understand it, Richard Buzbee was given “medical leave” to seek
help from a psychiatrist. Typical FOF effort is to attempt to
discredit what he had written in his letter by casting doubts on his
mental condition. He did NOT need a psychiatrist.]
_____________________________________________

Un-retouched nor edited, except to add paragraph separations for
easier reading, copy of email msg received to the list maintained for
former members of the Fellowship of Friends.
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:44:13
From: richard buckley
Subject: Greetings!!
Greetings All!!

Was pointed towards this list via Stella after reading the 10/12/97
S.F. Chronicle article and making a contact with her. I’ve been
sitting back for a few days, going though most of the posts, trying
to get a feel for what’s going on here. Quite a lively list!! I
quickly had to set up it’s own folder just to keep my inbox down to a
comprehensible size! Despite the commotion going down with the ‘hot
topic o’ the day’, I pick up an overall feeling of general cyber-
commeraderie and kindness—things most woefully lacking from many,
if not most, electronic gatherings of people I run across on daNet.

I’m getting a hoot out of seeing names and reading posts from people–
of which some have very clear faces–others are a little foggy–but
most I have no clue as to who they be!! Old dusty memories and a big
mixed bag of feelings have gotten rattled around inside here.
Amazing!! Really!!

Anyhoo, my FOF story, in a microscopic nutshell, be as follows:

1) Joined in Portland 4/74…

2) Moved to the Bay Area in 1976—To the Kensington House—does
anyone remember that nutty place??– where I shared a little bedroom
with four other men–sleeping on the floor–I think 17-18 people
lived in this house at a time!! I worked as a grunt for
Anthony ‘Somebody’s’ ‘Fourth Way Lawn and Garden Service’. I remember
customers would ask me what the other three ways of gardening
were!!!. I can’t remember exactly how I responded but can imagine
what a fairly new “good” student back then might say. Had to
be ‘intentionally insincere’ with those life people ya know. What I
wouldn’t give to roll that old film a little more clearly today!!
haha

3) Late ’76 ’til sometime in ’78 was sent out to Cincinnati where,
after meetings, we’d go to discos instead of coffee shops. Lotsa of
sex and partying coupled (pun most intended) with lotsa crazy stupid
guilt. Meanwhile, while I’m trying to reconcile my raging hormonal
youthful lust for life with FOF ideas and ‘suggestions’ re: sex and
relationships, the person that I had transferred my deepest trust on
to is raping young men back in Calif.. Huh?????!!!!

4) Moved back to Renaissance in ’78–or was it called Renaissance
yet??– worked at the lodge as ‘assistant maitre’d’ for a little
while. More memories bubbling up to the surface—-I remember the FOF
had bought out a Selix store’s surplus of used tuxedoes–which seems
like it was the general working uniform of the day back then–and all
these men crowded into the ‘barn’ getting fitted into these penguin
suits (I remember fighting with Bruce Levy over a pair of pants. We
were the same pip-squeak size and there was little for us to choose
from) which we had to buy for the amazingly low, low price of
{{{{$44.00}}} which was not so amazingly low- as I remember- I think
I was getting around $75./month on salary!!! Eventually ended up
working in the vineyard driving tractors. One day, while I playing
tractor jockey and mowing terraces, the mower hit a rock and started
a fire that burned down more than 10 acres!! Now there’s a gem I
haven’t thought about in a decade or so! Interesting process, typing
out this stuff.

5) Some time in ’79 , as I was courting Helen Drake (who, BTW, is
alive & well; remarried and living in Sonoma Co.) Robert asked me to
move into the Blake cottage. Well, this was like hitting the big time
for me.

I felt as though I must be doing something right to be singled out
for this honor. Little did I know. I was absolutely and completely
clueless. I remember a day or so before I moved in Don Biagi said to
me “living in the Blake cottage is very different than what you might
think”—And I just let that one sail way over my head. Little did I
realize–Don Knew!! Anyway, two days after I moved in RB made his
move on me. **Recalling this particular episode in my life has the
flavor of a weird distorted acid-trip**

I remember that even when he told me to take off all my clothes no
alarm-bells went off. But when he touched me– every thing went off
like a nuclear explosion. Every alarm, every siren, every cautionary
sentinel of my being was set off shrieking and screaming. “Warning,
Will Robinson. Danger! Danger!!” I remember–now for the first time
since then—that I felt like I was going to pass out. Like I was
getting swallowed up by something way too monstrously big for me to
handle. All the trust and love that I had transferred onto this guy–
the person that was–to me, at the time—my ultimate caretaker, the
caretaker of my very soul—was blown completely and utterly away in
the fraction of the few moments it took me to comprehend what was
coming down.

Incredibly, somehow, I was able to say to him that I did not feel
comfortable with what he was doing. And just as incredibly, he did
not push the issue with me. He did not use his “C-influence wishes
this” bullshit line on me—but let me go back to my room to be alone
with my horror.

Two days later he called me into his room saying–and I will never
forget exactly what and how he said this–“Goodness, I think it would
be a good idea if you moved out of the Blake cottage”.

I had no great compulsion to argue the request—I ran!!!! The entire
length of my residency there = 5 days.

I remember a few days after I moved out a couple of high
profile ‘good’ squeaky clean students said things to me inferring
that I did not have the *Being* it takes to be around the Teacher on
such an intimate basis, as though it was some character flaw of mine
that got me thrown out!! In some ways they were very correct. I kept
my mouth shut. And if I continue to hold onto any regrets, its that I
didn’t say anything about my experience until several years later.

6) Come 1980 Helen and I married and I continued to work in the
vineyard but my whole inner landscape was changing rapidly. No big
surprize there,duh!

The outward form of the School began to have less and less meaning
for me and I began to seek out and really cherish other students who–
for lack of a better desciption–were out on the fringes of
acceptable FOF high society and tinged with not a small degree of
cynicalness. It was great!

I remember frequent bouts of heavy drinking get-togethers with other
vineyard ‘badboys’ where we’d sit around swearing and just generally
dissing the stinkiness of the hypocrisy so adhered to in the FOF
culture. “Fuck this” and “Fuck that” “What a big asshole so&so is”
and on and on…. Its exactly what I needed at the time and I’m
literally LOL as this stuff comes up on my screen.

I think, now, that this was the embryonic beginning of my recovery
and eventual healing!!! But, before any real tangible healing was to
occur, there were still some chasms in my being that I had to plummet.

I mentioned “heavy drinking” a few lines above. Well, for me it got
heavier and heavier. All the accumulated pain and loneliness of my
entire life seemed much nearer the surface after my ‘RB experience’
and I did not have the resources to handle them in awareness.
Instead, I drank.

I pretty much drank like a fish right up until 1987 when the drinking
began to cease to work as an effective buffer against my pain and I
began to have this vague unsettling inkling that if I truly wanted to
reconnect with Life I had to start living it from the inside out
instead of taking it from the outside in. It was not a sudden
revelation or abrupt giving up of anything but much more a process of
which I still feel very much in the middle of today——And it is
all right!!!

7) Seems like I skipped a few years there maybe. Oh well.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch,😉 I continued to work in the vineyard
and invisibly come apart at my soul-seams. Its interesting sometimes
to play with what kept me from up and bolting from the FOF in 1980.
Different factors I think.

1: It was it was my life!! I had real friends!! I was married for
cyin’ out loud!!

2: I still clung to the line, in one form or another, that RB once
gave to another student (who did bolt soon after hearing it) ” It
would be better one were not born than leave the School” Scary
stuff!!!—but for different reasons today.

In 1984,when Sammy Saunder’s Revelations reached the general FOF
public, I began to prepare for my final departure.

I took some general science courses at Yuba College and then early
in ’85 moved back to the Bay Area and got a degree in Nursing finally
severing from the FOF sometime early in ’86.

8) I’m really getting tired of typing! Suffice it to say that the
last 11 years of my life—post-FOF—have been uneventfully very
eventful. The process we’re all on does not cease. No matter how much
I wish it would. No matter how much I whine & bitch about it———
it goes on.

So, sometimes I find I can take a breath in and out and
say “Perfectimoso!!!!!!!!!”

Thanks All for letting me catharse. I feel sooooooooooo
much better!!!!😉 …

Wishing All Well————————-R

Oh yeah—a quote I wanted to throw in from Ram Dass that says a lot
to me re: RB …

When asked what he thought about Hitler, he replied using the concept
of Duality. And, in part, said….

“In the world of Two we try to stop Hitler. In the world of One we
realize we are Hitler.” seeya———–r

130. Barbara - October 4, 2013

Does anyone remember anything about an attempt that Robert made to deal with his sex issues? Meaning, some sort of wanting to deal with the addiction…? I have heard such info more than twice but not being able to confirm.

Anyway, if that is true, what happened? Did the pendulum was to strong and the inner circle was not up to the challenge?
Maybe “the merry-go-round of denial” as they describe it in AA jargon, when an addicted person wants to get off and the others don’t allow him because that would disrupt the system?

“In the world of Two we try to stop Hitler. In the world of One we
realize we are Hitler.”

Still in the processing….

131. paul gregory - October 4, 2013

I heard this on a tv show about motorway cops.

‘It is the ambition of every criminal to evade the law’.
The Fellowship of Friends is an ark designed to withstand the Holocaust of Robert Burton.
The tragedy is that it does, and pays to do so, and perpetuates that most unhygienic and inhuman insanity with groveling servitude and temporal awe.
You cannot just jump over the horror of being raped by your mother and sister, while your butcher father looks on.
You can’t do it by putting cassette tapes in your mouth while you drive on the freeway, in a couple of years.
The karma of it must be expressed somehow and dealt with over an entire lifetime, and the measure of it’s success would be a genuine victory over the inexplicable crime to a genuine achievement of Love in it’s myriad forms, possibly.
The ‘school’ exists in the shadow of one ‘man’s’ imagination and total lack of it. At some point one must step out of the house to get a greater objectivity of awareness. Being a ‘student’ means accepting you will never leave the house of the ‘teacher’. That’s the definition of an unsuccessful teaching, isn’t it?
Scientists don’t use test-tubes for nothing. They don’t, on their time off, pretend to be microbes in states of great excitement in order to truly understand them. They leave the laboratory at some time and conduct the rest of their life like ordinary human beings. They drop the science. The Fellowship is all science, Blakes Newton, trapped in the body of it’s ‘verifications’ and unable to move an inch from it’s expensive and over complicated mind-binding instruments. Consciousness for Consciousness’ sake.
The Fellowship may be an ark, but it’s an ark in a desert. It has it’s admirers and from a distance even looks pretty, but the Ocean will not come to it.
It’s ‘teacher’ is a father who eats his own children blindly and incestuously, sacrificial lambs in a dark and gruesome ritual, in a perpetual mealtime of reluctant snail porridge, whilst advocating abortion as a means of spiritual advancement. Aleister Crowley merely fucked goats. There is no evidence to my knowledge of his being a child murderer.
This clearly indicates a disgust of life and totally inhuman misunderstanding of it that would be Hell to any sane person.
The Fellowship is a brand, and students who allow themselves to this branded consciousness bind themselves to it’s ultimate source hands and feet. Those are the clay hands and feet of a tortured child turned narcissistic psychopath.

132. Bares Reposting - October 5, 2013

Felonship: The Prophet’s Pimps
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ArkansasBob/conversations/topics/7

The Prophet would designate various matrons to travel to the teaching centers, in disguise as ‘Fourth Way teachers,’ these matrons would search the audience for pretty young boys. When they found suitable candidates the Prophet would soon appear in that particular center for a “teaching dinner.” The unsuspecting ‘pretty boy’ would be included in the list of those invited to “dine.” Flattered and awestruck with sharing lobster in apricot sauce with “The Prophet of Armageddon”, our unsuspecting pretty boy would be even more surprised when the Prophet would send everyone away and invite him to share champagne alone on the couches of the living room. It was there that the Prophet would seek to live up to his nickname: Slobbering Johnson.

There was a competition among the blubbery matrons to deliver the
most splendid pretty boy to the vacuum presence of Slobbering
Johnson, Prophet of the Fourth Way. Those who delivered the best were secured a plane ride to lovely places every spring.

133. Bares Reposting - October 5, 2013

Burton’s Men Number Five Students
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ArkansasBob/conversations/topics/6

Burton has claimed three “men number five” students over the past 30 years. The first one was Donald MacDonald, who left Burton’s “teaching” when he discovered that Burton’s vineyard workers were living on peanutbutter and jelly sandwiches while working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. Burton was being served fine cuisine. The second man number five was Miles Barth, who left after conferring with the psychiatrist of one of the boys Burton had “relations” with. Miles reported that Burton’s first reaction when hearing that his student of 17 years was leaving was: “This will be bad for the money.” Later Miles is reported to have said that in fact he was never “conscious” and the whole thing was a scam cooked up by Burton. The third man number five was a formatory yes-man named Girard Haven. It is reported that Girard is presently sitting in a wheelchair, wearing a diaper and drooling on himself after suffering a massive stroke. [This condition has since changed.]

swhite44 - October 5, 2013

133.
There was another guy who was something like a director for Seagrams, the alcohol company, whom Robert proclaimed ‘conscious’. That guy quickly ‘lost the school’. After Miles left Robert also said something about ‘it’s not right for to steal another man’s students!’

134. paul gregory - October 5, 2013

To become a ‘conscious being’ means to of graduated from the ‘teaching’. Robert can’t imagine that, as he is the ‘teaching’. It would mean graduating from Robert. That would be a threat, and something he couldn’t control, and something he can’t imagine, as he is the most important guy on the planet right now. That is some fantasy life for someone ‘awake’.
He teaches ‘Robert Burton Consciousness’ not Consciousness. But at least he has no peer in this.

135. paul gregory - October 5, 2013

I don’t recall reading a single thing about the suppression of tears exercise. I can imagine it might be profitable to try it once or twice, to look up as suggested, but to live perpetually in this way is to suppress humanity for the price of ‘consciousness’. It is also an ideal abuse mechanism, for how many men in the school have looked up?
To suppress the tears of thousands of people over a period of forty years or so seems to me to be a singular and peculiar act of violence against genuine values, which must be expressed in genuine ways. Tears are a genuine expression of experience, a release mechanism… here I am trying to justify tears. How strange.

Surely, genuine values must be an inescapable ‘law’? How can you understand anything if you cannot laugh at it, leave it or question it?

The school lives in a perpetual state of appreciation that produces no evidence of genuinely understood values, apart from a museum and two camels.

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:23-26

I presume the second camel must indicate a secondary obstacle, that of ‘Consciousness’ as ‘Dollars’. Values can’t be understood without the fullness of self-expression, because self-expression imparts value. What is ‘consciousness’ without values or the evidence of it? Empathy, for example, is a value a rapist is reputed to lack. So where is the value of that?

136. Wondering Who’s Watching - October 6, 2013

swhite44 – October 5, 2013:
‘133.
There was another guy who was something like a director for Seagrams, the alcohol company, whom Robert proclaimed ‘conscious’. That guy quickly ‘lost the school’.’

Yes, the person you describe was appointed president of Renaissance Vineyard & Winery by Robert Earl Burton (REB) and then, shortly thereafter, declared to be a ‘Man Number Five’ by REB. He was English and married one of the longterm and respected members of Fellowship of Friends (FoF) who was then president of FoF. They both encouraged FoF members to think for themselves, which was not the norm in the cult. That got both of them ‘excommunicated.’ This was in the 1990’s, about the same time as the T.B. incident and lawsuit.

137. paul gregory - October 8, 2013

115. inthebeginningwasthevoid

Sorry, didn’t see your post. I’ve seen such remarkably strong posts on this blog recently, amazing stuff.

Yes, absolutely, Barbara Bush is the daughter of Aleister Crowley. Leonardo Da Vinci just told me now. Leonardo, would, however, at this time prefer to remain anonymous.

It is impossible, I ponder, for Robert Burton to seek unity or friendship with ‘a Mr so-called God’ because it is not possible for his darling personality to find peers, on any level, given the fact that his mum raped him. That kind of stuff fucks you up for good unless you continue to deal with the nature of the experience in the sleeping ‘life ways’ of ‘ordinary less-lucky people’.

I ponder, and I muse, in a purely theoretical spectrum, that ‘the goddess in a man’s body’ is nothing other than his mother reborn. Lao Tzu did not tell me this, I just kinda figure it’s right.

swhite44 - October 9, 2013

137. “given the fact that his mum raped him. ”

What’s that about Paul?

138. paul gregory - October 9, 2013

swhite44 137. Isn’t that what Robert’s said in the past? That his mother and sister sexually abused him?

139. ryanopoo - October 10, 2013

This is for all you fof members who sneak over here to find out what’s really happening at Camel HQ or Hump Central. This is from Rodney Collin.
Advice: I know you’ve all been told not to read Rodney Collin and I don’t want you to feel naughty, or become frightened that Milton will make you leave the school, so just pretend it’s by Charles Dickens ’till you get to the end and you’ll be all right.
By the way if you do get to the end and you’re wondering why did Ryan post that ? You can be reasonably certain that you’re one of the poor schmucks he’s writing about – ha ha funny it’s not.
And if you’re still bemused, Uncle Bob is form, naive and trusting “students” are life and matter is what you become.

Theory of Celestial influence – Chapter 13

In the world of men the process of corruption appears as crime. And its understanding provides a test by which different social conceptions of crime may be objectively judged.
Real crime will be that in which knowledge, skill, understanding or forethought (form) are used to destroy higher possibilities (life) leaving the situation of the victim at a lower level than before (matter). By this criterion society is right in regarding murder -in which man takes thought to deprive another of life, leaving only
the inert matter of his corpse, as the classical crime. Intentional stealing, by which the victim is stripped of goods, savings, or possibilities, is also crime. But so too is willful lying which leaves a situation corrupted, and others – previously open-hearted – now
full of malice, suspicion, envy or distrust.
Sometimes it is objected that stealing depends on the nature of our society, that if there were ample goods freely distributed there would be no stealing. This argument misses the chief characteristic of stealing, which is an attempt to get something for nothing. Since it is a universal law that nothing can be had for nothing, that everything
must sooner or later be paid for in one way or another, such an attempt must always be at someone else’s expense. In this sense robbery of money or goods, plagiarism of ideas, even the stealing of souls, are all of the same nature. Whether it takes place in a
back-street or in paradise, stealing is not innocent.

swhite44 - October 10, 2013

138. paul gregory
OK, I hadn’t heard about that, how bizarre.
Did he say what happened exactly?
Maybe that’s why he’s not into females.
Maybe also helps explain why humiliating hetero males gives him gratification, to get revenge on his father if he stood by watching.
Every human monster starts off as a sweet little baby that gets fucked up by the world and then carries on the tradition.

140. paul gregory - October 10, 2013

swhite44 – October 10, 2013
I’ve read it, I’m sure, here on the blog. I feel that it does account for those things you say. Not into females, not into babies, not into making love, not into creativity, not into self-expression, not into the 20th and 21st Centuries, not into ‘Feminine Dominance’ or talking to mum’s when they die. Sucks.

141. paul gregory - October 10, 2013

As far as I know he merely hinted at it, once or maybe twice. Horribly tragic. Who knows?

142. Ill Never Tell - October 11, 2013

139. ryanopoo – October 10, 2013:
‘This is for all you fof members who sneak over here to find out what’s really happening at Camel HQ or Hump Central.’

Scenes you might see in Oregon House:
Hump Day REMIX “Guess What Day It Is”
Camel Happier than a Camel on Wednesday 1:33:

143. nigel - October 14, 2013

Pardon me for dropping in – yet again, uninvited – but I really see little, if any, point in all this ‘regurgitation’ of Fellowship history and the ‘antics’ of protagonists in the unfolding of the story of Sexual Deviant Bobby Burton. The bastard has clearly chosen the correct place (both physically – California being the State of the Cult, in the United States of ANARCHY -and, with an entourage of – continuing, even now, after [is it] 53 years? with willing – up to a point, if they they are told everything is under ‘conscious guidance’ – including Bob’s Penis and Arsehole and the errogenous zones of young, pretty-looking men) to carry out his disgusting (by any reasonable person’s views) ‘antics.

The reason, a year or so ago, I stopped posting on this blog is that I felt no leverage could be put on ‘stopping Burton in his tracks’ and, as we know, despite depleted membership, the Fellowship of Friends is still ‘grinding on’. How long the cult can go on before an implosive demise is yet to be seen, but I am sure many of know that date is not too far away. Even the poetry I cut-and-pasted was appreciated by ‘a few’, but mostly ignored by those whom I still find ‘stirring the proverbial shit’ of past times, dead figures in the Fellowship play and occurrences that, even though lawsuits were placed, had almost no impact on the cult’s filthy machinations.

It may be I ‘drop in’ to view the blog, from time to time, but there is no full-time returning for me.

Yours…..Nige

144. WhaleRider - October 23, 2013

“Alienation” means that man has externalized a part of himself, which he then perceives as an external truth. Man created a God in his own image {contrary to popular belief} thus projecting the best part of his spirit outside himself and adoring it as though it were a superior being. By putting an end to this “alienation”, man could reconstruct the synthesis of his own being.

~Ellenberger discussing Hegel

145. jomopinata - October 24, 2013

Nice.

146. WhaleRider - October 26, 2013

Strumpell, a professor at Leipzig University, wondered why the world is so different in dreams from what it is in waking life, and he gave this answer: when we awaken, we have difficulty placing the dream into our past or our present, and this is also why men have had a tendency to seek its meaning in the future.

Far from admitting, as most Romantics did, that in dreaming the soul escapes the body, {Author} Johannes Volkelt says that, on the contrary, it falls into a more immediate dependency upon the body. The perception of one’s body as a whole occurs in a very different way in dreams from that which occurs during the waking state…dreams translate bodily impressions directly into symbols.

In the same year, 1875, Friedrich Theodor Vischer’s study on dreams appeared which presents a searching analysis of the process by which the dreamer surrenders himself to his images, thus creating the possibility of seeing himself mirrored in these images.

~Ellenberger, Henri, The Discovery of the Unconscious.

The above quote ought to shed light on burton’s apocalyptic dreams, which I remember he shared at dinners.

Time has revealed that all the pain, fear, suffering, destruction of lives and waste in human potential conjured up in his mind wasn’t really about the future…

147. Golden - October 29, 2013

Robert Burton has had intensely grasping ways. So much was, and probably still is, spoken of “not identifying” when I was in the Fellowship… an essential part of “working on oneself”, yet Robert Burton seems truly immersed in identifications… his desire for environmental and personal opulence, his seeking to ever increase his stream of new sexual partners (that must be slowing down a bit now, though, due to his advancing age.) His energy is notably saved for the work of charming and cultivating students that appear to him to have something particularly valuable, be it knowledge of the arts, a thick wallet, trust fund, a high paying career, or a pretty ass. As “The Teacher” in the Fellowship of Friend, he recommends non identification (and from what I have heard, in the early years, he also claimed to be celibate) yet is am extreme hedonist. How ironic and hypocritical.

Find out about the history of the Fellowship of Friends at the Robert Burton Blog Spot. There’s a copy of the very informative Wikipedia entry that was removed some time ago from Wikipedia by… ? Well, that’s a question: who?

http://robertearlburton.blogspot.com/2007/06/wikipedia.html

148. fofblogmoderator - October 29, 2013

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