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Fellowship Of Friends/Pathway To Presence Discussion – Part 101 March 13, 2011

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1. nigel - March 13, 2011

As promised…..Nigel.

15 March 2011

Herbert M Brown
Special Agent in Charge
Federal Bureau of Investigation
4500 Orange Grove
SACRAMENTO
California 95841
United States of America

Dear Mr Brown

I am writing as a former member of the Fellowship of Friends ‘church’, which many, like myself, now uphold to be a ‘cult’, since many cases of impropriety, illegal activity and pure evil have been ‘unearthed’ by former members of the group on the Fellowship of friends Discussion/Pathway to Presence Blogsite.

We are trying as much as possible to put pressure on authorities (the FBI included) to look into all these ‘wrongdoings’, since we wish no more people to be hurt by the leader, Robert Earl Burton, the enablers including Girard Haven and many power-hungry individuals in the group.

I was a member from January 1978 to June 1989 and left the group as a result of a suicide attempt, because of all the financial pressures that the Fellowship put upon me, causing me to plunge into debt to the tune of at least $30,000.

Illegalities we would like to see investigated are:-

Illegal Immigration
Inurement of funds by the leader and enablers
Tax fraud
Sexual Assault by Robert Earl Burton
Employment Laws
Other Illegalities

I have included a copy of a letter from a former lawyer for the group and a petition that was set up to try to propel activity to have the Fellowship investigated.

Please feel free to contact me.

Nigel Harris Price BA Hons, Cert Ed

nhprice@gmail.com
011 (44) 1392 462103

2. Golden Veil - March 13, 2011

Dear Nigel,

I suggest that you keep to the facts…maybe something more like this:

Dear Mr Brown,

I am a former member of the cult The Fellowship of Friends, a northern California [sic] church with national and international branches that has tax-exempt non-profit status under 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. I am writing to alert you to federally illegal activities there, including employment fraud, tax fraud, and immigration fraud.

I and other former members of the cult (see attached petition) urge you to initiate an investigation of this [sic] “church” that has, along with the aforementioned crimes, a current and decades long history of exorbitant tithing of its members, the funds being used to perpetuate a personal luxury life style for the cult leader and his inner circle. Other improprieties of the “church” include cult brainwashing and psychological abuse of many of its members, along with the sexual abuse of some of its members.

I was a member from January 1978 to June 1989 and left the cult after a suicide that I attempted because of all the financial pressures that the Fellowship put upon me, causing me to plunge into debt to the tune of at least $30,000.

Illegalities include:

Illegal Immigration
Inurement of funds by the leader Robert Burton and his inner circle
Tax fraud
Sexual Assault by Robert Earl Burton
Employment Laws

I have included a copy of a letter from a former lawyer for the group and a petition that was set up to try to propel activity to have the Fellowship investigated by federal authorities.

Please feel free to contact me.

Nigel Harris Price BA Hons, Cert Ed

nhprice@gmail.com
011 (44) 1392 462103

3. nigel - March 13, 2011

2 Golden Veil

You are right…..that sounds better…..Nigel.

4. Golden Veil - March 13, 2011

Thank you, your letter is good but just needs a little editing. Best to keep the emotions and opinions out, and as much as possible stick to the facts.

Things that need to be added back in that I omitted:

1. Put in a couple of specific lawsuit names and dates that are on public record. Even if settled out of court, a big one like the member T.B. who was a minor (at the time he was first molested;) it is on public record, and it would be good to include it. I think that there are lots of documented details about R.E.B’s actions.

2. Be sure to put in this link ~ http://www.livingpresence.com/

I would be happy to do a final polish, or maybe someone else out there could do it who is a better writer than I… Ah, Whalerider would be a great editor! Get that final polish before sending it, Nigel!

5. Golden Veil - March 13, 2011

Found under the “faq” tab at the Living Presence website:

Why do esoteric schools generate controversy?

A powerful teaching elicits powerful responses from those it touches. The teacher’s role is to help his students awaken to their Higher Selves. In doing so, he must help them see their sleep, their imagination, their illusions, their lies, their imaginary sense of self-importance, all of which must die before their true Self can be born. The student needs to cooperate with the teacher in this, and it is not always easy. Disturbing our sleep and our imaginary picture of ourselves, and helping us achieve our higher centers, is in fact the purpose of a school, and provokes strong reactions from the lower self. Only the Higher Self can understand this necessity, which is why any real attempt at awakening will at times create controversy.

And also:

What if I don’t want to stay?

Membership in the Fellowship is on a month-to-month basis. Each month is a chance to assess if you have received something and if you want to join for another month. You can cease being a member of the Fellowship at any time by simply discontinuing the monthly teaching payment; however, you usually cannot return without making a re-entry donation. Understanding does not come immediately, so it is good to give yourself some time to verify these ideas. There are students who have been in the Fellowship for forty years, and others who have just joined—all united in their pursuit of the present.

6. nigel - March 13, 2011

Just thought I would add these names and addresses from X-ray’s links…..

Director John Martin
US Immigration and Custom Enforcement
500 12th Street, SW
Washington DC 20536

Secretary Janet Napolitano
Department of Homeland Security
Washington DC 20528

Commissioner Alan Besin
Customs and Border Patrol
1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington DC 20229

7. X-ray - March 13, 2011

Looks like we are moving somewhere.
Can’t wait for final version to send it everywhere.

8. silentpurr - March 14, 2011

I am pleased to say that with text support, I now have a cleaned-up ‘final version’ copied to my ‘desk top’. I can email it or print it.

9. James McLemore - March 14, 2011

For those not aware of it you can also go to the top of this blog page-third paragraph down-and click on “wikiSpace”. Go to the menu on the left and there is a clean copy of the petition that has been there for quite some time.

10. Golden Veil - March 14, 2011

I think that you are mistaken, James.

The Petition has many typographical errors. Nothing has changed. I went to the WikiSpace site and clicked on the Petition & Video link. It takes you to a page where you first see two videos, and below them, an introduction to the Petition and a typographically correct version of the Petition preamble (only the preamble.) There is a name at the end of the Petition preamble that is a link to perhaps an administrator of the site,

F YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS PLEASE CONTACT JACK AT edward@fourthwaywork.net

If you click on the link to go to the actual Petition at the end of the introduction (and before the preamble,)

To sign this petition go to http://www.PetitionOnline.com/djindjin/petition.html

it takes you to the actual online Petition, and it still has all the errors. The errors appear to be mostly a Word program formatting issue. For example, whenever a word has “quotes” around it, they show as confusing curly-cue circles.

I wonder who could go in and correct the formatting for us? Should we contact Jack?

11. James McLemore - March 15, 2011

I may be mistaken. I realize that the link to ‘sign the petition’ does take you to the original. However, I thought that the intro + the preamble + the link at the bottom of the page that says…………

“PERSONAL STORIES AND TESTIMONIES”

was the entirety of it. Although different fonts and type sizes are used, it looks clean of all the curley-cue thingies.

12. Golden Veil - March 16, 2011

Okay, then the correctly formatted petition and personal testimonials that you come to via the WikiSpace Petition / Videos link at the top of this blog needs to have the sign-able petition linked to it.

The direct link to the petition at the top of this blog brings you to a sign-able copy that has as its introduction the ill-formatted petition introduction and personal testimonies.

Some people do not want to sign it in its current state. And some people (like me) feel that it should not be directed or given to the authorities until the online version is fixed. Maybe more people will sign it then, too.

13. James McLemore - March 16, 2011

Golden Veil –

My apologies. You are correct.
I just knew there was a clean copy of the body of the petition plus the testimonies on that site, but I see now it does not solve the problems you are speaking of.

14. nigel - March 17, 2011

posts 9-13…..

I feel there is too much ‘banter’ about what each thinks the whole should do. This is all but short of childish. I have sorted out my approach to what I intend to send to the authorities and this included altering the ‘blips’ in the petition pre-amble. If we want the whole to be convincing, we each need to act to the best of our individual ability…..Nigel.

15. nigel - March 17, 2011

A little foreword on Burton’s book – “Self-Remembering”, by an enabler…..

Twenty-five years ago, Robert Earl Burton founded the Fellowship of Friends, a school of spiritual development in the Fourth Way tradition, which has been transmitted in this century by G.I. Gurdjieff and P.D. Ouspensky. A Greek-Armenian mystic and teacher of sacred dances, Gurdjieff rediscovered the Fourth Way tradition during long travels in the East, which provided the inspiration for his book, Meetings with Remarkable Men. He is perhaps best known for Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson. Gurdjieff’s principal disciple, Ouspensky, became a teacher in his own right, and recorded the Fourth Way ideas in a series of clearly written and elegantly reasoned works, among which are The Fourth Way and In Search of the Miraculous, both published after his death in 1947.

Because the Fourth Way is based on individual verification and understanding, as well as on personal transmission, each teacher reinterprets it anew. Robert Burton’s teaching, while based on the knowledge transmitted by Gurdjieff and Ouspensky, has expanded to embrace the legacy of spiritually developed men and women of all ages and cultures, from Marcus Aurelius and St. Paul to Lao Tzu and Abraham Lincoln. Gurdjieff approached the Fourth Way through the rigorous physical training of his sacred dances, and Ouspensky emphasized an equally rigorous intellectual discipline. Robert Burton stresses the education and disciplining of the emotions. The unique qualities that he offers to his students include a love of beauty and an understanding of its capacity to create higher states of awareness, a non-judgmental acceptance of people and events as they are, and a profound humility and obedience in the face of a higher intelligence. “If I had three wishes,” he once said, “they would be, ‘Thy will be done, thy will be done, thy will be done.”

Perhaps Robert Burton’s greatest contribution to the Fourth Way tradition is his unerring ability to grasp the core of the teaching. Although the system offers an array of theories, he has resisted all temptations to deviate from its highest application: the creation of higher consciousness within its students. He has never ceased to repeat that this work is simple, although it is not easy. Out of the great storehouse of knowledge in the Fourth Way, he has extracted and exalted two principles above all others: self-remembering and the transformation of suffering.

Self-remembering is the attempt within a specific moment to be more conscious, more aware, more present. It is a form of active meditation that may take place in any moment and in any situation, in which the student works to be aware both of himself and of his environment simultaneously, rather than being immersed in his internal world, or lost in his reactions to the many stimuli around him. Repeated efforts to self-remember lead to higher states of consciousness, and a quite new understanding of humanity’s place in the universe. This private, internal struggle to witness one’s own life is the process through which one creates one’s soul.

Tirelessly, tenaciously, Robert Burton has placed self-remembering at the heart of his school. Although he has urged his students to experience the best that life can offer and to develop their own talents and skills, he has never lost sight of the fact that even great genius pales before simple consciousness; that, as he has said so often, “There is no greater activity than presence in silence.”

The transformation of suffering entails learning to use each negative or painful experience or emotion, whether large or small, to create self-remembering. This process requires long work on changing attitudes, so that the student understands that the ultimate responsibility for any negative emotion – such as anger, irritation, fear, and self-pity – rests with the individual rather than the events that befall him.

“Everyone suffers, with or without a school,” Robert Burton has said. “We are trying to use our suffering, rather than being used by it.”

Year after year, Robert Burton’s students have come to him with their questions, their problems, their protests. Year after year, with unfaltering patience, he has taught that the only true solutions to any perceived “problem” lie in our efforts to self-remember and to transform our suffering. However justified one’s complaints, however unjust the events of one’s life, one has no choice but to embrace them all. This wider acceptance is the key to the actual transformation of negative emotions into higher consciousness, which creates the capacity for selfless love and is the true meaning behind every spiritual teaching. What the individual gains through this process may then be radiated outward for the benefit of others. “There is a secret,” Robert Burton said once, “that is almost too sacred to tell. The secret is: what one gains, all gain.”

In the years since its founding, the Fellowship, which is based in northern California, has slowly and quietly grown to include approximately two thousand members in teaching centers around the world. It is sincerely hoped that this book will not only serve as a record for Robert Burton’s students, but will introduce others to their own spiritual possibilities.

J. Chapman

16. James McLemore - March 17, 2011

Nigel said –

“posts 9-13…..
I feel there is too much ‘banter’ about what each thinks the whole should do. This is all but short of childish.”

Nigel – I said nothing whatsoever about what anyone “should” do, and I cannot see where Golden Veil did either. I was merely pointing out there was a clean copy of the petition on that link, and then that I was mistaken about it solving the problems that Golden Veil raised.

17. audit - March 18, 2011

“… unfaltering patience,…”

She must have been joking. Either that or she is hopelessly indoctrinated.

Happy St. Patrick’s Day fellow shippers, and fellow non-shippers.

18. nigel - March 18, 2011

Taken from 15?????

Tirelessly, tenaciously, Robert Burton has placed self-remembering at the heart of his school. Although he has urged his students to experience the best that homosexual activity can offer and to develop their own talents and skills, he has never lost sight of the fact that even great genius pales before simple slavery; that, as he has said so often, “There is no greater activity than presence in my mouth.”

19. nigel - March 18, 2011

Have just been watching the movie – “Invictus”, starring Morgan Freeman and Matt Damon and produced and directed by Clint Eastwood. It is about the South African victory in the 1995 Rugby World Cup – but more than that…..

(I hope WhaleRider is ‘tuning in’)…..

Nelson Mandela, when he was imprisoned on Robin Island for 23 years during Apartheid, treasured this poem…..

INVICTUS
By
W E Henley

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeoning of chance
My head is bloody, but unbow’d.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

20. nigel - March 18, 2011

The Rugby World Cup theme song…..

“The World in Union”

There’s a dream
I feel so rare, so real
All the world in union
The world as one

Gathering together
One mind, one heart
Every creed, every colour
Once joined, never apart

Searching for the best in me
I will find what I can be
If I win, lose or draw
There’s a winner in us all

It’s the world in union
The world as one
As we climb to reach our destiny
A new age has begun

We face high mountains
Must cross rough seas
We must take our place in history
And live with dignity

Just to be the best I can
Sets the goal for everyman
If I win lose or draw
It’s victory for all.

It’s the world in union
The world as one
As we climb to reach our destiny
A new age has begun

It’s the world in union
The world as one
As we climb to reach our destiny
A new age has begun

It’s the world
The world in union
A new age has begun

21. nigel - March 19, 2011

“…..he (Burton) has extracted and exalted two principles above all others: self-remembering and the transformation of suffering.”

Guess what? You have to remain in the school and remember yourself, no matter how much shit and rubbish you have to put up with and…..
…..you have to transform all the suffering that REB throws at you in the pursuit of his selfish, narcissistic and megalomaniacal ends…..Nigel.

As an addendum, Ouspensky said that that (paraphrase) “voluntary suffering is NOT causing pain for yourself, but transforming the friction you encounter IN PURSUIT OF YOUR AIM(S).”

Good God!!!!! If your aim is to stick with Burton to the bitter end and put up with TRANSFORMING HIS AIMS…..I PITY YOU!!!!!

To save yourself, LEAVE THE FELLOWSHIP OF FRIENDS and take your place for THE BETTERMENT OF HUMANITY!!!!!

22. nigel - March 19, 2011

The Actor

On the stage of his own making,
Dragging the past up behind him
To serve the present and propel
The future,
This man who once feared his aims
And could not bring weight
To ‘borrowed’ activity,
Has now his own work
And a school of beautiful followers.

He took the chance with the financial
Remnants of his life;
Lost thousands of pounds in a few months,
But regained all with firmness of self-hood.
With tools of the trade
And materials from ancient worth,
There is now giving and giving
That others take with warming touch
And he receives back.

(nhp 2011)

23. Josiane - March 20, 2011

Daily Card, March 16, 2011
“It is special to be here together. We don’t know how long it will last. But the most special of all places to be in together is Paradise.”
Love, Robert

(This is in response to a quote by Milton about overcoming Death and Time.)

24. ton - March 21, 2011

I have often thought of writing a novel, similar to Thomas Mann’s “Confessions of Felix Krull,” which would be the life story of a charlatan making out as a master guru – either initiated in Tibet or appearing as the reincarnation of Nagar-juna, Padmasambhava, or some other great historical sage of the Orient. It would be a romantic and glamorous tale, flavored with the scent of pines in Himalayan valleys, with garden courtyards in obscure parts of Alexandria, with mountain temples in Japan, and with secretive meetings and initiations in country houses adjoining Paris, New York, and Los Angeles. It would also raise some rather unexpected philosophical questions as to the relations between genuine mysticism and stage magic. But I have neither the patience nor the skill to be a novelist, and thus can do no more than sketch the idea for some more gifted author.

The attractions of being a trickster guru are many. There is power and there is wealth, and still more the satisfactions of being an actor without need for a stage, who turns “real life” into a drama. It is not, furthermore, an illegal undertaking such as selling shares in non-existent corporations, impersonating a doctor, or falsifying checks. There are no recognized and official qualifications for being a guru, though now that some universities are offering courses in meditation and Kundalini Yoga it may soon be necessary to be a member of the U.S. Fraternity of Gurus. But a really fine trickster would get around all that by the one-upmanship of inventing an entirely new discipline outside and beyond all known forms of esoteric teaching.

It must be understood from the start that the trickster guru fills a real need and performs a genuine public service. Millions of people are searching desperately for a true father-Magician, especially at a time when the clergy and the psychiatrists are making rather a poor show, and do not seem to have the courage of their convictions or of their fantasies. Perhaps they have lost nerve through too high a valuation of the virtue of honesty – as if a painter felt bound to give his landscapes the fidelity of photographs. To fulfil his compassionate vocation, the trickster guru must above all have nerve. He must also be quite well-read in mystical and occult literature, both that which is historically authentic and sound in scholarship, and that which is somewhat questionable – such as the writings of H.P. Blavatsky, P.D. Ouspensky, and Aleister Crowley. It doesn’t do to be caught out on details now known to a wide public.

After such preparatory studies, the first step is to frequent those circles where gurus are especially sought, such as the various cult groups which pursue oriental religions or peculiar forms of psychotherapy, or simply the intellectual and artistic milieux of any great city. Be somewhat quiet and solitary. Never ask questions, but occasionally add a point – quite briefly – to what some speaker has said. Volunteer no information about your personal life, but occasionally indulge in a little absent-minded name-dropping to suggest that you have travelled widely and spent time in Turkestan. Evade close questioning by giving the impression that mere travel is a small matter hardly worth discussing, and that your real interests lie on much deeper levels.

Such behavior will soon provoke people into asking your advice. Don’t come right out with it, but suggest that the question is rather deep and ought to be discussed at length in some quiet place. Make an appointment at a congenial restaurant or cafe – not at your home, unless you have an impressive library and no evidence of being tied down with a family. At first, answer nothing, but without direct questioning, draw the person out to enlarge on his problem and listen with your eyes closed – not as if sleeping, but as if attending to the deep inner vibrations of his thoughts. Conclude the interview with a slightly veiled command to perform some rather odd exercise, such as humming a sound and then suddenly stopping. Carefully instruct the person to be aware of the slightest decision to stop before actually stopping, and indicate that the point is to be able to stop without any prior decision. Make a further appointment for a report on progress.

To carry this through, you must work out a whole series of unusual exercises, both psychological and physical. Some must be rather difficult tricks which can actually be accomplished, to give your student the sense of real progress.

Others must be virtually impossible – such as to think of the words yes and no at the same instant, repeatedly for five minutes, or with a pencil in each hand, to try to hit the opposite hand – which is equally trying to defend itself and hit the other. Don’t give all your students the same exercises but, because people love to be types, sort them into groups according to their astrological sun signs or according to your own private classifications, which must be given such odd names as grubers, jongers, milers, and trovers.

A judidous use of hypnosis – avoiding all the common tricks of hand-raising, staring at lights, or saying “Relax. Relax, while I count up to ten” will produce pleasant changes of feeling and the impression of attaining higher states of consciousness.

First, describe such a stage quite vividly – say, the sense of walking on air – and then have your students walk around barefooted trying not to make the slightest sound and yet giving their whole weight to the floor. Imply that the floor will soon feel like a cushion, then like water, and finally like air. Indicate a little later that there is reason to believe that something of this kind is the initial stage of levitation.

Next, be sure to have about thirty or forty different stages of progress worked out, giving them numbers, and suggest that there are still some extremely high stages beyond those numbered which can only be understood by those who have reached twenty-eight – so no point in discussing them now. After the walking-on-air gambit, try for instance having them push out hard with their arms as if some overwhelming force were pulling them. Reverse the procedure. This leads quickly to the feeling that one is not doing what one is doing and doing what one is not doing. Tell them to stay in this state while going about everyday business.

After a while let it be known that you have a rather special and peculiar background – as when some student asks, “Where did you get all this?” Well, you just picked up a thing or two in Turkestan, or “I’m quite a bit older than I look,” or say that “Reincarnation is entirely unlike what people suppose it to be.” Later, let on that you are in some way connected with an extremely select in-group. Don’t brashly claim anything. Your students will soon do that for you, and, when one hits on the fantasy that pleases you most, say, “I see you are just touching stage eighteen.”

There are two schools of thought about asking for money for your services. One is to have fees just like a doctor, because people are embarrassed if they do not know just what is expected of them. The other, used by the real high-powered tricksters, is to do everything free with, however, the understanding that each student has been personally selected for his or her innate capacity for the work (call it that), and thus be careful not to admit anyone without first putting them through some sort of hazing. Monetary contributions will soon be offered. Otherwise, charge rather heavily, making it dear that the work is worth infinitely more to oneself and to others than, say, expensive surgery or a new home. Imply that you give most of it away to mysterious beneficiaries.

As soon as you can afford to wangle it, get hold of a country house as an ashram or spiritual retreat, and put students to work on all the menial tasks. Insist on some special diet, but do not follow it yourself. Indeed, you should cultivate small vices, such as smoking, mild boozing, or, if you are very careful, sleeping with the ladies, to suggest that your stage of evolution is so high that such things do not affect you, or that only by such means can you remain in contact with ordinary mundane consciousness.

On the one hand, you yourself must be utterly free from any form of religious or parapsychological superstition, lest some other trickster should outplay you. On the other hand, you must eventually come to believe in your own hoax, because this will give you ten times more nerve. This can be done through religionizing total skepticism to the point of basic incredulity about everything – even science. After all, this is in line with the Hindu-Buddhist position that the whole universe is an illusion, and you need not worry about whether the Absolute is real or unreal, eternal or non-eternal, because every idea of it that you could form would, in comparison with living it up in the present, be horribly boring. Furthermore, you should convince yourself that the Absolute is precisely the same as illusion, and thus not be in the least ashamed of being greedy or anxious or depressed. Make it dear that we are ultimately God, but that you know it. If you are challenged to perform wonders, point out that everything is already a fabulous wonder, and to do something bizarre would be to go against your own most perfect scheme of things. On the other hand, when funny coincidences turn up, look knowing and show no surprise, especially when any student has good fortune or recovers from sickness. It will promptly be attributed to your powers, and you may be astonished to find that your very touch becomes healing, because people really believe in you. When it doesn’t work, you should sigh gently about lack of faith, or explain that this particular sickness is a very important working out of Karma which will have to be reckoned with some day, so why not now.

The reputation for supernormal powers is self-reinforcing, and as it builds up you can get more daring, such that you will have the whole power of mass self-deception working for you. But always remember that a good guru plays it cool and maintains a certain aloofness, especially from those sharpies of the press and TV whose game is to expose just about everyone as a fraud. Always insist, like the finest restaurants, that your clientele is exclusive. The very highest “society” does not deign to be listed in the Social Register.

As time goes on, allow it more and more to be understood that you are in constant touch with other centers of work. Disappear from time to time by taking trips abroad, and come back looking more mysterious than ever. You can easily find someone in India or Syria to do duty as your colleague, and take a small and select group of students on a journey which includes a brief interview with this Personage. He can talk any kind of nonsense, while you do the “translating.” When travelling with students, avoid any obvious assistance from regular agencies, and let it appear that your secret fraternity has arranged everything in advance.

Now a trickster guru is certainly an illusionist, but one might ask “What else is art?” If the universe is nothing but a vast Rorschach blot upon which we project our collective measures and interpretations, and if past and future has no real existence, an illusionist is simply a creative artist who changes the collective interpretation of life, and even improves on it. Reality is mostly what a people or a culture conceives it to be. Money, worthless in itself, depends entirely on collective faith for its value. The past is held against you only because others believe in it, and the future seems important only because we have conned ourselves into the notion that surviving for a long time, with painstaking care, is preferable to surviving for a short time with no responsibility and lots of thrills. It is really a matter of changing fashion.

Perhaps, then, a trickster may be one who actually liberates people from their more masochistic participations in the collective illusion, on the homeopathic principle of “The hair of the dog that bit you. ” Even genuine gurus set their disciples impossible psychological exercises to demonstrate the unreality of the ego, and it could be argued that they too, are unwitting tricksters, raised as they have been in cultures without disillusioning benefits of “scientific knowledge,” which, as ecologists note, isn’t working out too well. Perhaps it all boils down to the ancient belief that God himself is a trickster, eternally fooling himself by the power of maya into the sensation that he is a human being, a cat, or an insect, since no art can be accomplished which does not set itself certain rules and limitations. A fully infinite and boundless God would have no limitations, and thus no way of manifesting power or love. Omnipotence must therefore include the power of self-restriction – to the point of forgetting that it is restricting itself and thus making limitations seem real. It could be that genuine students and gurus are on the side of being fooled, whereas the phony gurus are the foolers – and one must make one’s choice.

I am proposing this problem as a kind of Zen koan, like “Beyond positive and negative, what is reality?” How will you avoid being either a fool or a fooler? How will you get rid of the ego-illusion without either trying or not trying? If you need God’s grace to be saved, how will you get the grace to get grace? Who will answer these questions if yourself is itself an illusion? Man’s extremity is God’s opportunity.

The cock crows in the evening;
At midnight, the brilliant sun.
And there have also been such effective mother-magicians as Mary Baker Eddy, Helena Blavatsky, Aimee Semple McPherson, Annie Besant, and Alice Bailey.

Alan Watts (1915 – 1973)

25. surelyujest - March 21, 2011

It’s beautiful…don’t be afraid.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110320.html

The full moon was Saturday. The Libyan action started the day before. So it didn’t start “on the full moon.” It’s interesting to note how zealots play with the facts. Robert Burton, who is very superstitious, claims his birthday is May 12, not the May 13th that it really is. Just a day, in both cases. Ideologues are always willing to toy with the facts in order to make them fit their preconceived notions.

26. surelyujest - March 21, 2011

“Neuroscience tells us the thing we take as our unified mind is an illusion, that our mind is not unified and can barely be said to “exist” at all. Our feeling of unity and control is a post-hoc confabulation and is easily fractured into separate parts. As revealed by scientific inquiry, what we call a mind (or a self, or a soul) is actually something that changes so much and is so uncertain that our pre-scientific language struggles to find meaning.

Buddhists say pretty much the same thing. They believe in an impermanent and illusory self made of shifting parts. They’ve even come up with language to address the problem between perception and belief. Their word for self is anatta, which is usually translated as ‘non self.’ One might try to refer to the self, but the word cleverly reminds one’s self that there is no such thing.”

From this article:

http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/buddhism_and_the_brain/

27. silentpurr - March 22, 2011

26. surelyujest,thanks for the links.

23. I wonder how Mr. Burton vainly ‘assumes’ there to be a place called ‘Paradise’. Does he himself actually ‘believe’ there to be such a meeting place for his ‘friends’ after death? He would like his students to believe that he KNOWS the Truth about Life after Death. Which he doesn’t. Isn’t this but another stunning glimpse into the degraded level of Spiritual Sustenance which the Fellowship must endure for 40 years? It’s nauseating.

28. WhaleRider - March 23, 2011

The fact that the “self” is impermanent, illusory, and shifting, does not preclude the fact that establishing and setting personal boundaries is very important for maintaining mental health and personal integrity, despite the obvious paradox.

We are all…empty armor…Nonexistent Knights…perfect only in the paradise of our imagination.

A person with schizophrenia or undergoing a psychotic episode has very weak personal boundaries or none at all. Their possibilities for establishing self-hood are compromised and limited, but in my experience, still exist. Self-hood under these circumstances is contextual and dependent, like in the Fellowship of Friends.

Guru-types like Burton prey upon human weakness and must create more weakness in their followers in order to derive power and sustenance; gurus are both fools and foolers. (thanks ton)

For myself, the way out of the duality of fool/fooler is to hold the belief that each person contains within them most, if not all, of the necessary elements to grow, mature and thrive, yet at times these resources are not altogether readily available, given the necessary gulf between the conscious and unconscious minds and the demands placed upon our free attention by various advertising media.

We are taught through our material consumerism to seek and define our power from the outside, from what others provide us…like membership in a cult.

29. Golden Veil - March 23, 2011

Beautifully put, WhaleRider. Thank you.

30. Walter Tanner - March 24, 2011

ONION-PEELINGS from THE BOOK OF LIES (Chapter 14):

The Universe is the Practical Joke of the General at the Expense of the Particular, quoth FRATER PERDURABO, and laughed.
But those disciples nearest to him wept, seeing the Universal Sorrow.
Those next to them laughed, seeing the Universal Joke.
Below these certain disciples wept.
Then certain laughed.
Others next wept.
Others next laughed.
Next others wept.
Next others laughed.
Last came those that wept because they could not see the Joke, and those that laughed lest they should be thought not to see the Joke, and thought it safe to act like FRATER PERDURABO.
But though FRATER PERDURABO laughed openly, He also at the same time wept secretly; and in Himself He neither laughed nor wept.
Nor did He mean what He said.

I now pronounce you all #7’s. Good night.

31. qwertyuiop - March 24, 2011

30. “The Universe is the Practical Joke of the General at the Expense of the Particular,…”

One may laugh, so to speak, that people see the universe as a practical joke, but this is getting right to the heart of the matter, especially when it comes to religions and cults and gurus and followers who follow gurus.

We’re generally taught that the universe is a universe of shortages rather than a universe of abundance. That’s one way to look at it. So, there’s sort of a joke “on us” right there — “Sorry, people, there’s no more knowledge and wisdom and growth and love to go around. They all ran out. You lose.”

And then, continuing the idea that all of this is a joke, there’s the idea that “we live in a bad place in the universe.”

And then add to that the notion that the universe is just plain antagonistic (devils, ray of creation, hell, original sin, etc.). And then we’re taught that we’re stuck in that universe, that we can’t get out, and that therefore we need help from a guru or religion or cult or dictator who can provide hope and dramatic change, whatever the cost. And that we need to “escape” from a universe which is clearly out to get us.

People (me included) are taught to believe, but more importantly, FEAR that the universe is a joke. Whether we happen to laugh or weep about it is less relevant than the fact that laughing or weeping are two expressions of our fear — which in return makes us vulnerable to all sorts of lies and deception.

A thoughtful movie that may reflect on some of this, without providing any answers necessarily, is “The Man from Earth” (2007). Available now on blu-ray.

32. Wouldnt You Like To Know - March 24, 2011

A young monk arrives at a monastery as a novitiate. He is assigned to helping the other monks in copying the old canons and laws of the church by hand. He notices, however, that all of the monks are copying from copies, not from the original manuscript. So, the new monk goes to the head abbot to question this, pointing out that if someone made even a small error in the first copy, it would never be picked up! In fact, that error would be continued in all of the subsequent copies.

The head monk, says, “We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son.”

The head abbot goes down into the dark caves underneath the monastery where the original manuscripts are held as archives in a locked vault that hasn’t been opened for hundreds of years. Hours go by and nobody sees the old abbot.

So, the young monk gets worried and goes down to look for him. He sees him banging his head against the wall and wailing, “We missed the “R” ! , we missed the “R” !”

His forehead is all bloody and bruised and he is crying uncontrollably. The young monk asks the old abbot, “What’s wrong, father?”

With a choking voice, the old abbot replies,
“The word was, CELEBRATE!!! Not celibate.”

So, without “R,” what will Fellowship of Friends be?

33. X-ray - March 25, 2011

I think that fellowship of friends would be a better place without R but that is something we will know for a fact when R will find himself behind bars where he belongs.

34. nigel - March 25, 2011

28 WhaleRider

I think you would enjoy…..

“Saints and Madmen – Psychiatry Opens its Doors to Religion” by Russell Shorto…..

Mystical states; psychotic states – explored; neuroscience; spiritual pastors etc…..Nigel.

35. surelyujest - March 25, 2011

qwertyuiop:

You make some very good points. One thing that is easier to see now, but was almost impossible while in the chains of indoctrination, is that the 4th way was very much a product of its times. The idea that the universe is one of shortages is a very 19th century one, a notion that comes out of the industrial revolution and economic theory. Of course it may be true that the universe is limited by some definite quantities (matter can never be created nor destroyed), but the quantities are so vast that on our scale they seem meaningless — that kind of shortage, from our small perspective, seems like infinite abundance.

But we were taught some very misleading things. It is very black and white, limited thinking, for example, to believe that people fall into two categories: either you are a blissed out, naive fool who has yet to encounter any hardship in life, and therefore believe that the world is good and benign, and nothing bad ever really happens, or only happens to those “other people”; or else you have been a victim of violence, disease, poverty, etc, and you spend every waking hour wallowing in a harsh, uncompromising, relentlessly negative view of life.

Only in a doctrine compiled by cult gurus could people be depicted in such a simplistic, unrealistic fashion. These are comic book characters dreamed up by a religious nut to bolster his fevered beliefs. They certainly don’t depict any people I know, though I myself looked at people that way, when my mind was enslaved by doctrine.

The irony is that only someone who lives in one of the safest, wealthiest cities on earth, in one of the safest and most prosperous countries in history, could come up with such caricatures. Certainly this person has never actually met people who spend their days in violent, disease-ridden and hunger-plagued areas.

Because if such a person had ever truly gotten out in the world, instead of first consulting the strictures of his ideology, and then projecting a world that is consistent with those synthetic codes into his cult-warped mind, then he might have met people who have been hungry, victims of violence and disease-ridden, but who also manage to find the good parts of life that exist for almost everybody, at least at times.

But the cult devotee is unlikely to encounter these people outside of his distorted dreams, because he would never deign to waste his time (which after all is valued by the Gods above all others because he is creating a soul, unlike all those other poor saps) doing things like traveling to a poor country to help build schools, administer medicine, build wells for clean water.

On the other hand, even the most privileged person is still a human being, and is therefore going to spend a significant amount of time suffering. No one escapes that.

Whether the world is a fundamentally good or fundamentally bad place is a very basic question, but it’s not one that can be answered easily. And it’s juvenile to elevate one’s own view while ridiculing the view you disagree with by making them sound like idiots. Speaking hypothetically, you’d think that if the 4th way was such a sound, valid system, that someone who vigorously pursued it for many decades would be well beyond such logical traps. But I’ve yet to encounter anyone who has studied “The System,” even for vast lengths of time, whose mind seems anything other than backwards, more limited, and more broken than when they started.

36. X-ray - March 25, 2011

‘But I’ve yet to encounter anyone who has studied “The System,” even for vast lengths of time, whose mind seems anything other than backwards, more limited, and more broken than when they started.’

It does looke to me that way.

37. X-ray - March 25, 2011

And their shallow pride to be the ‘chosen ones’, is only serves them as great barrier to knowledge they were once seeking.

38. silentpurr - March 25, 2011

To his students, Robert Burton’s last words:
” Thanks for the Lux life – hope it was good for you too.

39. nigel - March 26, 2011

Sorry…..I was a little bit enebriated at the Karaoke when Kelly, a tall and luscious Venusian, sang this song…..

Written by Bob Dylan and sung by Adele, recently…..

“Make You Feel My Love”

When the rain is blowing in your face,
And the whole world is on your case,
I could offer you a warm embrace
To make you feel my love.

When the evening shadows and the stars appear,
And there is no one there to dry your tears,
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love.

I know you haven’t made your mind up yet,
But I would never do you wrong.
I’ve known it from the moment that we met,
No doubt in my mind where you belong.

I’d go hungry; I’d go black and blue,
I’d go crawling down the avenue.
No, there’s nothing that I wouldn’t do
To make you feel my love.

The storms are raging on the rolling sea
And on the highway of regret.
Though winds of change are throwing wild and free,
You ain’t seen nothing like me yet.

I could make you happy, make your dreams come true.
Nothing that I wouldn’t do.
Go to the ends of the Earth for you,
To make you feel my love

40. nigel - March 26, 2011

All the works of man have their origin in creative fantasy. What right have we then to depreciate imagination.
Carl Jung

As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung

41. nigel - March 26, 2011

Follow that will and that way which experience confirms to be your own.
Carl Jung

Great talents are the most lovely and often the most dangerous fruits on the tree of humanity. They hang upon the most slender twigs that are easily snapped off.
Carl Jung

42. nigel - March 26, 2011

In my case Pilgrim’s Progress consisted in my having to climb down a thousand ladders until I could reach out my hand to the little clod of earth that I am.
Carl Jung

It all depends on how we look at things, and not how they are in themselves.
Carl Jung

43. qwertyuiop - March 27, 2011

surelyujest…

In your final comments, I’m guessing you’re referring to yourself as well? (“I’ve yet to encounter anyone who…”)

I absolutely agree that the “system” and cult dogma mess with people’s brains, so I think we’re largely on the same wavelength. But as usual words can get in the way, so I had difficulty following a lot of what you wrote above, and didn’t quite get the connection to my comments until you got to the last paragraph.

I definitely don’t have the answers, and I don’t see it as a black/white question whether or not the universe is “fundamentally good” or “fundamentally bad”.

But I do see the unhealthy effects of ideas that evoke fear.

In the fellowship, for example (and in many other places), we were taught to fear the universe, and by extension to fear ourselves, and by extension to fear our own actions… our “own” actions meaning actions that actually originated from our own impulses and not from the pre-approved attitudes and behaviors of the cult collective.

(So, remember, you can completely sidestep this fear if you just follow along.)

What we could have been taught instead of fear — maybe in a parallel universe — was vigilance.

With vigilance, there’s flexibility of mind, body, and soul. There’s no one to hate, nothing to hate, nothing to conquer, no fear of being conquered, and no fear of failure. Again, I think the larger questions (not answers) are addressed in that 2007 film, “The Man from Earth”. Very thoughtful discussion, and with no conclusions about what the universe might be up to. But I like where they were going with it — and by the way, it’s also a nice love story.

44. nigel - March 27, 2011

43 qwertyuiop

“With vigilance, there’s flexibility of mind, body, and soul. There’s no one to hate, nothing to hate, nothing to conquer, no fear of being conquered, and no fear of failure.”

You betcha, babe!!!!!…..Nigel.

45. nigel - March 27, 2011

And, with vigilance, one has the help of the Higher Beings…..(just try out VIGILANCE!!!!!).

There are 45 beings of a Higher Order working with Humanity…..44 Invisibly Manifest and One (“There can be Only One” – Highlander [a movie about true illumination]), on Earth and producing Conscious Work, having had his First Awakening at age 33…..

…..Nigel.

46. nigel - March 27, 2011

And here is where VIGILANCE IS !!!!! The Pineal Gland, The Eye of the Mind…..call it what you will…..we are so Lucky, or We Have Earned It…..

“The sixth chakra is located in the forehead. It’s energy is light. It’s color is often seen as indigo. And interestingly enough the Sanskrit word for this center is called ‘Agna’ or the ‘command post’. And this is very significant for it insinuates that the ‘command center’ – the director of our drama – is not in the power center. It’s not in the emotional center. It’s coming from a very high source – the intuitive center – which is what the sixth chakra is about. Note the sixth chakra has more often than not been discussed in very occult ways as place for super-consciousness, visions, clairvoyance and clair-audience. And that may be well and good, but for your life’s work it’s helpful to understand this as a flow of the intuitive cosmic intelligence that is not occult at all, but maybe very natural.
For example, I often ask groups: have you ever had a time in your life when mysteriously or in some way that you could not understand some force came in and guided you, helped you make the right decision, pointed you the right way, helped you out of danger? And generally a large majority of people raise their hand and said ‘yes’. So this is not a hidden secret experience, it is something that most people at one point or another in their life have had happen to them! But then I ask a question: ‘how many of you felt this was extraordinary?” And again the majority of people raise their hand. Now, what if this experience was not extraordinary at all? But what if this is the way it’s supposed to be? What if you are actually aligned to the intuitive flow direct perceptions available to you 24 hours a day? This is a possibility of the sixth chakra.
To perceive and be open to dimensions of experience that are often invisible to people not because they are so high and mighty, but because most of the time we’re just too busy. You see, we live in a culture that is vibrating primarily on the first three chakras. Occasionally we move into a heart energy. Occasionally we move into a creative energy. But the opening of a direct intuitive intelligence is something that is neither taught nor supported in popular culture. Therefore it is thought to be fantastic.

The vocational issue around the opening of this ‘command center’, if you will, is intuition on one side and inflation on the other side. You see, you may have a fantastic revelation, a fantastic opening (and that is a beauty of the sixth chakra) but then when you begin to think that ‘Oh! I must be special’ or “If everybody did this in this way they may have this” – you move into inflated side of the sixth chakra. And it can get very very heady when the person begins to experience what Henry Davis Toro called “the higher laws”. That’s why it is so important that we work from the bottom up, that we have a strong ground, that our feelings are open, that our power center is clear, that we are working towards contributions, and so on and so forth.
So, what we want to do is open to the higher laws. Not to be someone special, not to move out of the world, but literally as if you are reeling a kite in from the sky to bring them down into the market place. Because the market place is the great democratic leveler of everything. If you can bring your intuition, if you can bring your inspiration into the market place – then you’re sharing it with other people. That is your life’s work.
When you’re inflated – you shy away from the market place, you want to keep things secret. Because then your self-delusional bubble might burst. So the opening of the sixth chakra has to do with the opening of intelligence, with the opening of intuition, with the opening to guidance from sources that we cannot fathom, but that we can experience and work with on a daily basis.
After all in the last twenty years we have seen remarkable healing of all sorts – through healers, through assemblies, through groups, through prayer. We have seen a power of spirit cure cancer, leukemia, diabetes, we have all seen incredible transformations. Well, if the power of spirit can do this then the same power should be able to get me a job. This is “bring it down home”. And this is very important: this work is a work of alignment – it’s not a work of escape. The whole purpose of creating the work you love and moving into our life’s work is to bring the heaven and the earth together. To bring the intuition and a practical together and to take that deep intelligence and apply it to day-to-day situations.

So we ask in the sixth chakra that we can open to the unknown and bring into the known. And that will generally guard us and guide us against the inflated delusional position.”

Rick Jarow “The Ultimate Anti-Career Guide”

47. nigel - March 27, 2011

“Apart from the pulling and hauling stands what I am,
Stands amused, complacent, compassionating, idle, unitary,
Looks down, is erect, or bends an arm in an impalpable certain rest,
Looking with side-curved head curious what will come next,
Both in and out of the game and watching and wondering at it.”
–Walt Whitman, “Song of Myself”

48. nigel - March 27, 2011

I have been waiting 22 (REB’s False Personality Number) years to take my place on The Play of Humanity Against the Crime of the Fellowship of Friends…..Nigel.

PRINCE HENRY

“I know you all, and will awhile uphold
The unyoked humour of your idleness:
Yet herein will I imitate the sun,
Who doth permit the base contagious clouds
To smother up his beauty from the world,
That, when he please again to be himself,
Being wanted, he may be more wonder’d at,
By breaking through the foul and ugly mists
Of vapours that did seem to strangle him.
If all the year were playing holidays,
To sport would be as tedious as to work;
But when they seldom come, they wish’d for come,
And nothing pleaseth but rare accidents.
So, when this loose behavior I throw off
And pay the debt I never promised,
By how much better than my word I am,
By so much shall I falsify men’s hopes;
And like bright metal on a sullen ground,
My reformation, glittering o’er my fault,
Shall show more goodly and attract more eyes
Than that which hath no foil to set it off.
I’ll so offend, to make offence a skill;
Redeeming time when men think least I will.”

William Shakespeare – Henry IV, Part 1

49. nigel - March 27, 2011

“Self-love, my liege, is not so vile a sin
As self-neglecting…..”

The Dauphin (Hemry V – William Shakespeare)

50. surelyujest - March 28, 2011

41 nigel

“Follow that will and that way which experience confirms to be your own.
Carl Jung”

If only we had learned that instead of the other nonsense that got us enslaved in a cult!

qwertyuiop:
sorry, the latter part of my post was a rant not directed at you or what you said. I’m enjoying your posts and hope you continue.

51. surelyujest - March 28, 2011

I see that I have been mistaken in my desire to show true 4th way believers the folly of their mad beliefs. But the willingly indoctrinated cling to the System and all its imaginary tenets for the same reason anyone clings to religion — comfort, and the belief that the universe has a comprehensible plan for them, but mostly comfort. It is wrong of me to want to take that from them just because I’m irritated by their foolish beliefs and the rank hypocrisy of a system that tells you verify everything, then tells you that self-remembering creates a soul, that you have lived multiple lifetimes — things that no one can possibly verify. I do understand that it is relatively easy to convince yourself you’ve verified these things, but that is just imaginary connections between things and bad logic — finding meaningful patterns in random events.

I surrender. Nighty-night.

PS: I’m not a Buddhist.

52. qwertyuiop - March 28, 2011

Jest, no prob, and good to see your posts as well.

I’m not a follower of religions and other cults for many of the same reasons that I exited the fof, but at least most religions and cults don’t go that extra step and talk about what they know and what they’ve verified, and many of them don’t pretend that they have a scientific method. I wonder if people who do cling to Fourth Way dogma occasionally consider how the pseudo-scientific thinking embodied in it adds an entirely new level of insanity to the fof that few other cults share. I understand why anyone would want to believe in the afterlife and find hope and inspiration in certain religious ideas and beliefs. But it’s the intellectual arrogance that we had in the fof (and for many of us, even after leaving it) that that we believed made us something truly “special.” Through supposed hard work, keen observation, and intellectual superiority, we believed we knew and understood things that no one else on Earth could know- merely because we were members of Robert Burton’s Fellowship of Friends cult, and they weren’t. What’s more, we figured out a way to delude ourselves into thinking it wasn’t a belief at all, but that it was knowledge.

Then we took at a step further into insanity by calling it “understanding” – which was even a step above knowledge for those select few who experienced this knowledge in a deeper way. But often without knowing, our attitudes about this further disconnected us from humanity and from our conscience (many of us, anyway). We casually turned our heads (many of us anyway) from what Burton was doing, who was being harmed, and how we ourselves were being harmed.

By the way, Robert Burton and the Fellowship of Friends are also found on the web using the names Pathway to Presence, Being Present, and Living Presence.

53. qwertyuiop - March 31, 2011

Cognitive dissonance explains a lot.

The Fellowship of Friends isn’t “all bad”. What we learned with the so-called fourth way was not “all bad.” Our experiences with Robert Burton were not “all bad.” Just as many abusive relationships are not “all bad.” Something was learned, maybe similar to the way a prisoner can learn something in the state pen, or a beaten wife or abused husband can learn something and move on. They learn, for one, that hugs and affection were not the problem in the abusive relationship — and they finally see that they can hug again, and be affectionate again in a new and loving, healthy relationship. They no longer associate the positive, beautiful aspects of marriage to the abuse and pain of the old.

There’s something relevant in the way Burton keeps trying out different names for his cult. He knows that certain words resonate with people and will draw them in. Whether they studied the fourth way or not, a lot of people sense that “being present” and “being here now” are ideas that have power in them (“the power of now”). The idea of paying attention to your life and not going through the motions — it makes sense. We somehow know it to be true.

Where, however, did we start believing that this was unattainable out “here”? Was it simply the fear of hell? Was it that we just wouldn’t have anyone to tell us that we were ok?

(Forgetting somehow that we have that capacity — to know we are “ok” — within ourselves?)

Classical music, art, the study of history, literature, philosophy, pondering the meaning of life, making olive oil, building amphitheaters and chateaus and wineries… What can be wrong in that?

Nothing at all… until you add everything else that comes with it, and until one lives one’s life “being present” only to what is comfortable to be present to, getting by on the cognitive dissonance… and ironically, casually talking about the idea of “buffering” on an almost daily basis without a clue how we ourselves are swimming in it.

54. Panorea - April 1, 2011

Thank you qwertyuiop,

A week ago I watched parts of dvds with Robert Burton with my counselor. Almost three years out of the cult and I felt ready to face the deceiver… with the help of a professional. The hour I have with the counselor was extended to 2,5 as it became clear we needed to watch the tricks of the magician. My reaction was smoother that I had expected. The “impressions”, the music ok. Burton talks gibberish. He moves his hands and counts and interrupts and there is method in his madness. If you have not studied the fourth way and Robert’s codes nothing makes sense. The people around him appear fascinated and unhappy. His looks unstable and possessed. I could see part of all this when I was in the cult but I was blaming myself, my self will and my “instinctive centre” for the perceptions. My counselor called the other day to say that he was quite affected by the experience. He has worked and still works with people who had been in a cult but the Fellowship seems to be quite refined in its methods of deceit. Robert is a charismatic charlatan and there are many people who cannot protect their boundaries and are after an authority to tell them what to do. There are people who are hurt, who are after power over others so they can feel real; spiritual seekers who are after salvation and a remedy against death, and some others who have forgotten about the whole spiritual thing but have invested both in material as well as in social life within the doors of the Fellowship castle.

I watched a fantastic movie with my daughter yesterday: Tangled (the story of Rapunzel); great animation and check mother Gothel… her manners are so familiar…

55. Wouldnt You Like To Know - April 1, 2011

54. Panorea – April 1, 2011

‘There are people who are hurt, who are after power over others so they can feel real; spiritual seekers who are after salvation and a remedy against death, and some others who have forgotten about the whole spiritual thing but have invested both in material as well as in social life within the doors of the Fellowship castle.’

If you will pardon the work language, the above quotation demonstrates that A Influence (spiritual materialism in this case) is alive and well in the cult. It just appears to be different from the familiar forms found in life.

56. nigel - April 1, 2011

54 (my age, by the way)…..Panorea…..

It took me at least 5 years to disentangle myself from the feeling of guilt and ‘obligation’ that I felt about Burton and the Fellowship Cult after I had physically left, in 1989…..

Any method used to feel one’s Selfhood apart from the cult indoctrination, I feel, is valid…..

George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff (paraphrase)…..

“The Self, the Master, Real ‘I’ is Essence, grown up”

Hope this helps…..Nigel.

57. nigel - April 1, 2011

Somewhat reffering to the last post, but poetically from William Wordsworth…..

“MY HEART LEAPS UP WHEN I BEHOLD”

My heart leaps up when I behold
A rainbow in the sky:
So was it when my life began;
So is it now I am a man;
So be it when I shall grow old,
Or let me die!
The Child is father of the Man;
I could wish my days to be
Bound each to each by natural piety.
1802.

Again, the Child (Essence) being father of the Man (grown-up Being)…..Nigel.

58. nigel - April 1, 2011

Isiah 11:6 – King James Version of the Bible…..

“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.”

(These are about the animalistic tendencies of mankind – balancing centers, perhaps? – and not the literal translations of animals that such as Jehovah’s Witnesses would have us believe)

…..Nigel.

59. nigel - April 1, 2011

Children of Men

Release date(s) 3 September 2006 (2006-09-03) (Venice)
22 September 2006 (2006-09-22) (UK)
25 December 2006 (2006-12-25) (US)
Running time 109 minutes
Country United States
Language English
Budget £37 million
(US$76 million)
Gross revenue $69,959,751

Children of Men is a 2006 American-British dystopian science fiction film directed by Alfonso Cuarón and loosely adapted from P. D. James’s 1992 novel The Children of Men. It stars Clive Owen, Julianne Moore, Michael Caine, Pam Ferris, Claire-Hope Ashitey and Chiwetel Ejiofor.

Set in the United Kingdom of 2027, the film explores a grim world in which two decades of global human infertility have left humanity with less than a century to survive. Societal collapse, terrorism, and environmental destruction accompany the impending extinction. Meanwhile, the United Kingdom—perhaps the last functioning government—persecutes a seemingly endless wave of illegal immigrant refugees seeking sanctuary. In the midst of this chaos, Theo Faron (Clive Owen) must find safe transit for Kee (Claire-Hope Ashitey), a pregnant African “fugee”.

The film was released on 22 September 2006 in the UK, 19 October 2006 in Australia and on 25 December 2006 in the U.S. Critics noted the relationship between the Christmas opening and the film’s themes of hope, redemption, and faith.

Children of Men was not a financial success, but attracted positive reviews from critics and acclaim from filmgoers. The film was recognised for its achievements in screenwriting, cinematography, art direction, and innovative single-shot action sequences, receiving three Academy Award nominations and winning two BAFTA awards.

60. nigel - April 1, 2011

Song by George Michael…..

“Kindness In your eyes;
I guess You heard me cry;
You smiled at me
Like Jesus to a child.

I’m blessed I know;
Heaven sent And Heaven stole;
You smiled at me
Like Jesus to a child.

And what have I learned
From all this pain,
I thought I’d never feel the same
About anyone
Or anything again.

But now I know
When you find love,
When you know that it exists,
Then the lover that you miss
Will come to you on those cold, cold nights.

When you’ve been loved,
When you know it holds such bliss,
Then the lover that you kissed
Will comfort you when there’s no hope in sight.

Sadness In my eyes;
No one guessed
Or no one tried;
You smiled at me
Like Jesus to a child.

Loveless and cold,
With your last breath;
You saved my soul;
You smiled at me
Like Jesus to a child.

And what have I learned
From all these tears?
I’ve waited for you all those years
And just when it began
He took your love away.

But I still say
When you find love,
When you know that it exists,
Then the lover that you miss
Will come to you on those cold, cold nights.

When you’ve been loved,
When you know it holds such bliss,
Then the lover that you kissed
Will comfort you when there’s no hope in sight.

So the words you could not say,
I’ll sing them for you;
And the love we would have made
I’ll make it for two.

For every single memory
Has become a part of me;
You will always be My love.

Well I’ve been loved,
So I know just what love is;
And the lover that I kissed
Is always by my side.

Oh the lover I still miss
Was Jesus to a child.”

61. nigel - April 1, 2011

The Universe was and always is
There, as Whitman’s Pallid Float;
Our Mother Eternal.

God – not necessarily an
Afterthought, was thought about
At some Defining Moment.

Big Bang Intelligently Pursued
To Universe, Unfathomably
Full of itself,
Beyond Human Ken.

Being here, in Moment Mind-held
We experience Forever.

(nhp 2011)

62. X-ray - April 1, 2011

54. Panorea – April 1, 2011

‘there is method in his madness’

A charlatan who only wants your money and your cock is selling you his madness in a wrap of consciousness stolen from Gurdjieff’s work.

63. qwertyuiop - April 2, 2011

“He has worked and still works with people who had been in a cult but the Fellowship seems to be quite refined in its methods of deceit. Robert is a charismatic charlatan and there are many people who cannot protect their boundaries and are after an authority to tell them what to do.”

No, there’s no magic in it, and at all, and seeing that may be the first step in snapping out of the trance.

There’s no refinement, and there’s no charisma — at least there’s no charisma that has a wide appeal. Note how Burton always would explain away the lack of a wide appeal by saying it’s because his “teaching” doesn’t flatter people, and that “life” is asleep, so of course they don’t follow him, and so forth.

There’s nothing special about it at all, nothing magical, nothing “alluring”. If we feel that way about it, we’re still trying to shake ourselves loose from that trance.

His approach just resonated with us, that’s all. Most people would listen to Burton and/or read his comments, and simply roll their eyes or laugh, or they would immediately see the deception and bullshit in it. Unlike us, they could see it from a mile away. So they didn’t join. THEY JUST KNEW AND UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS A CULT.

Part of the key to his deception is that he believes some of what he tells people. Or he is able to shift his thoughts into believing it. This is a sales technique. First, you find an inner attitude where you believe in the product, and then SELLING the product is a whole lot easier — even if it’s an absurdly useless, worthless, and dangerous product.

64. qwertyuiop - April 2, 2011

Repeating that sentence…
No, there’s no magic in it at all, and seeing that may be the first step in snapping out of the trance.

65. X-ray - April 3, 2011

64. qwertyuiop – April 2, 2011

‘No, there’s no magic in it at all, and seeing that may be the first step in snapping out of the trance’

I agree.
Burton is a fraud and his flock are hopeless idiots.

66. X-ray - April 3, 2011

63. qwertyuiop – April 2, 2011

‘“teaching” doesn’t flatter people,’

Ooops, I’m afraid I read these words in ‘Search of the Miraculous’ long before I met thief Burton.

67. Associated Press - April 3, 2011

GOD WILLING · A Film By Evangeline Griego
Begins airing Saturday, April 2nd, 2011

God Willing Premieres – PBS Rollout Begins
Today marks the beginning of the PBS rollout,
as local PBS affiliates begin to air God Willing.
Over the next few months, various PBS affiliates
will be airing God Willing.

GOD WILLING is a powerful documentary about families whose children turn their backs on them to become ‘Brothers’ and ‘Sisters’ of a secretive cult, renouncing their past lives and the world – often, without ever turning back.

God Willing – Trailer 3:44:
by About Time Productions

68. Associated Press - April 3, 2011

GOD WILLING is a powerful exploration of a 35-year-old American religious sect known as ‘The Church’ or ‘The Brotherhood.’ It also outlines the struggles of families whose children turn away from them to become ‘Brothers’ and
‘Sisters’ in the group, renouncing their past lives and the world – often, without ever turning back.

Founded in 1971 by shadowy messianic figure Jim Roberts, the group has survived for decades as a separatist society that preaches a strict path to salvation, proselytizes for new members, adheres to strict ascetic values, subsists on discarded food and refuse, and shuttles its members from town to town, often on the run from concerned parents and family members who try to see or communicate with their children.

This documentary offers an inside look at the group, offering searing testimonials from both family members and former members of The Church. The film details the appeal of Roberts’ message to the sincere spiritual needs of young people, and the struggle that some of them face with fellow members and themselves when they find little more comfort in the fold than they had in their previous lives. It also grippingly presents the anguish of parents and other loved ones who grapple with the urge to pursue and rescue their children, and the psychological, emotional and tactical impediments that so often get in the way of reconciliation. Extensive surveillance footage of Brothers and Sisters and rare, candid on-camera encounters further enhance this examination of families torn asunder, belief systems at war, and the perilous balance of futility and hope.

http://godwillingmovie.com/

69. Associated Press - April 3, 2011

God Willing – Trailer 3:44:
by About Time Productions
on YouTube:

70. Associated Press - April 3, 2011

God Willing on IMDb
(Internet Movie Database)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1412441/

71. Golden Veil - April 3, 2011

The Brotherhood: austere and rootless, but a cult nonetheless with similar coherent mind control. Like The Fellowship of Friends, the cult leader Jim Roberts’ control is enhanced by his “church’s” encouragement of its members to separate from family, old friends and LIFE. Thanks for posting this, Associated Press! People out there researching The Fellowship of Friends and considering joining up, or current members…here is a bird of similar feathers…beware!

72. Panorea - April 3, 2011

The problem with the Fellowship is that it is not that “simple” in its methods; there is much more manipulation going on and there is an elitist attitude that attracts individuals with similar tendencies. There is emphasis on culture and art, literature and “quality”; the package is “beautiful”. The recent years people from various East European countries and South American ones manage to travell and experience museums and fine dining and “impressions” in various places since they can stay in “teaching houses” or other members can offer them free accommodation.

Many people in the FOF were and still are well educated and they would not do “stupid” things… As it has been stated before this is a cult for intellectuals or intellectual wannabes…

The level of manipulation from the inner circle is high as well as between the members. To my surprise (and what should I had expected… me the idiot…) there is so much jealousy and envy present, something I do not miss in my everyday humble exchanges with ordinary people. Not to mention the gossip and the weird stories circulating.

I remember cult members saying that the Fellowship is exactly like life; but this is not my experience. Living ones life as clean as possible, with no lies can bring one close to oneself; which is what most chaps in the fellowship avoid like the plague; keep on doing so many things in order to avoid doing that one they are meant to do or feel…
Escape reality in the name of “something higher”…

73. nigel - April 3, 2011

72 Panorea

One quote I remember from the late seventies from REB was –

“It is not necessary to our aim to feel we are special”.

God, has that changed!!!!!…..Nigel.

74. Panorea - April 3, 2011

Right Nigel,
but this was/is pure hypocrisy, right?🙂

75. nigel - April 3, 2011

Try this one out…..

“NO MAN WAS EVER GREAT WITHOUT A TOUCH OF DIVINE AFFLATUS” (Marcus Tullius Cicero 44 B.C.)

Afflatus translates from the Latin as…..

BLOWN INTO, hence…..

the French…..INSPIRATION…..

Bet someone in the FOF reads this post and tells REB (he’ll love the date!!!!!)…..Nigel

76. nigel - April 3, 2011

from ‘George Bosh -“Typhoon Coming On”‘…..

“Till man is eating manna from Above
There is a need for economic man.
The problem is the corporate matrix
Where man becomes a slave
And manager, dominatrix.
SYSTEM DEFINES BEHAVIOUR.

The corporate person MUST evolve.
Right now it is an infant with an axe.
Change will come when leadership resolve
Forces it to structure from within,
To set the framework for the individual,
Or Bruce will surely wake to kill again.

(George Bosh commissioned the art-piece from me that led to my being the Official Silversmith for the Visit of Pope John Paul II to San Francisco in 1987)…..Nigel

77. nigel - April 3, 2011

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, CONVINCED THAT HE HAS NO NATURAL RIGHT IN OPPOSITION TO HIS SOCIAL DUTIES.”

(Thomas Jefferson, 1 January 1802)

78. X-ray - April 4, 2011

72. Panorea – April 3, 2011

‘Living ones life as clean as possible, with no lies can bring one close to oneself;’

True.

‘which is what most chaps in the fellowship avoid like the plague;’

True.

‘keep on doing so many things in order to avoid doing that one they are meant to do or feel…
Escape reality in the name of “something higher”…

True.

79. brucelevy - April 4, 2011
80. nigel - April 4, 2011

Thank you, Bruce, for that link…..

“Spiritual practices becomes narcissistic, though, when the ego-self hijacks the process and assumes that it is the object of self love, becoming enamored of looking in the mirror and claiming that its reflection is the true-Self. Then we loose our way, forgetting that the purpose of learning to love ourselves is to become more open, kind and effective in interactions with others, and instead of opening our hearts with humility and compassion, we assume a position of superiority — exactly what the ego desires for its safety. Spiritual narcissism sees self-love as the end goal. Spirituality to the ego-self is an object of attainment, much like fame, wealth, an expensive car and a sexy body.

Spiritual narcissism creates the pretense of holiness as an ego strategy to mask insecurity, receive approval, or avoid struggle and growth. “I’m a spiritual person” it proclaims proudly. “I travel to alternate realities, see auras, heal chakras, predict the future, talk to spirits, commune with angels, manipulate energies, meditate for three hours a day, harness the powers of the Universe to attract success. … The truth is that I’m more evolved than you!” Deep spirituality makes us more sensitive to the feeling of others, encouraging an open stance of courage where we can drop our protective shields and accept the vulnerability to be seen as we are. Narcissistic sensitivity, however, is focused solely on the subtle nuances one’s own internality, and resists looking at hard, uncomfortable truths that may upset the self image. One who is narcissistically sensitive is easily offended by the “coarseness” of others, seeks to make his environment change to align with the contours of his needs, and gets angry or offended when this does not happen.”

81. nigel - April 4, 2011

From Dennis Larson’s GF discussion site…..

“The sun can only give out light and can not take it back. The idea is that giving is similar to light in that it can not be drawn to ourselves, only given, and that we live in that giving. (instant karma?) Happiness would be the experience of giving happiness to others. The book says that trying to draw happiness to ourselves is the “only unhappiness.” Like the sun trying to draw it’s light back, when we try to draw happiness, and other similar feelings, to ourselves, we are frustrated because it does not produce the happiness that we want. This frustration at not being able to go against a law of nature is what we call unhappiness.”

82. Agent 45 - April 4, 2011

In what they hope will be interpreted as an act of public contrition and/or a plea of insanity, the Felowship of Friends Board of Directors issued the following statement:
“We were only in it for the money. We never would have guessed anybody was going to get hurt.”
P.S. I liked Panorea54, it was from a different perspective than my own.

83. John Doe - April 5, 2011

WOW!!!
101 pages? Congrats!
I was here YEARS ago… Talking about stamina!
I guess it never gets old… keep up the good work!

The one and only lesson learned through the experience of the zoo-fof is not to repeat the same mistake again and avoid it altogether!

84. nigel - April 5, 2011

“As soon as possible this teacher [should dismiss] the disciple, who becomes his own man of wisdom, and then he continues his self-work.

False masters in Sufism, as everywhere else, have not been few. So the Sufis are left with the strange situation that whereas the false teacher may appear to be genuine (because he takes pains to appear what the disciple wants him to be), the true Sufi is often not like what the undiscriminating and untrained Seeker thinks a Sufi should be like.

… The false teacher will pay great attention to appearance, and will know how to make the Seeker think that he is a great man, that he understands him, that he has great secrets to reveal.

… Sufism is something that happens to a person, not something which is given to him. The false teacher will keep his followers around him all the time, will not tell them that they are being given a training which must end as soon as possible, [and will not give them the opportunity to] taste their development themselves and carry on as fulfilled people.”

Idries Shah, The Sufis
page 138

85. nigel - April 6, 2011

My psychiatrist and social worker are worried that I am ‘going high’ again (’tis the season, after all). I am discussing spiritual matters with them and sending books, such as “Saints and Madmen” (see former posts). However, I am faced with my reality, which includes my bipolar illness. I will not back off from my interrelations (and the blog being one of them). I BELIEVE WE ARE HERE TO BRING ‘HEAVEN TO EARTH’ (see pasted below) and NOT JUST TO STAY BORINGLY SOCIAL (however, earth is important)…..Nigel.

“The sixth chakra is located in the forehead. It’s energy is light. It’s color is often seen as indigo. And interestingly enough the Sanskrit word for this center is called ‘Agna’ or the ‘command post’. And this is very significant for it insinuates that the ‘command center’ – the director of our drama – is not in the power center. It’s not in the emotional center. It’s coming from a very high source – the intuitive center – which is what the sixth chakra is about. Note the sixth chakra has more often than not been discussed in very occult ways as place for super-consciousness, visions, clairvoyance and clair-audience. And that may be well and good, but for your life’s work it’s helpful to understand this as a flow of the intuitive cosmic intelligence that is not occult at all, but maybe very natural.
For example, I often ask groups: have you ever had a time in your life when mysteriously or in some way that you could not understand some force came in and guided you, helped you make the right decision, pointed you the right way, helped you out of danger? And generally a large majority of people raise their hand and said ‘yes’. So this is not a hidden secret experience, it is something that most people at one point or another in their life have had happen to them! But then I ask a question: ‘how many of you felt this was extraordinary?” And again the majority of people raise their hand. Now, what if this experience was not extraordinary at all? But what if this is the way it’s supposed to be? What if you are actually aligned to the intuitive flow direct perceptions available to you 24 hours a day? This is a possibility of the sixth chakra.
To perceive and be open to dimensions of experience that are often invisible to people not because they are so high and mighty, but because most of the time we’re just too busy. You see, we live in a culture that is vibrating primarily on the first three chakras. Occasionally we move into a heart energy. Occasionally we move into a creative energy. But the opening of a direct intuitive intelligence is something that is neither taught nor supported in popular culture. Therefore it is thought to be fantastic.

The vocational issue around the opening of this ‘command center’, if you will, is intuition on one side and inflation on the other side. You see, you may have a fantastic revelation, a fantastic opening (and that is a beauty of the sixth chakra) but then when you begin to think that ‘Oh! I must be special’ or “If everybody did this in this way they may have this” – you move into inflated side of the sixth chakra. And it can get very very heady when the person begins to experience what Henry Davis Toro called “the higher laws”. That’s why it is so important that we work from the bottom up, that we have a strong ground, that our feelings are open, that our power center is clear, that we are working towards contributions, and so on and so forth.
So, what we want to do is open to the higher laws. Not to be someone special, not to move out of the world, but literally as if you are reeling a kite in from the sky to bring them down into the market place. Because the market place is the great democratic leveler of everything. If you can bring your intuition, if you can bring your inspiration into the market place – then you’re sharing it with other people. That is your life’s work.
When you’re inflated – you shy away from the market place, you want to keep things secret. Because then your self-delusional bubble might burst. So the opening of the sixth chakra has to do with the opening of intelligence, with the opening of intuition, with the opening to guidance from sources that we cannot fathom, but that we can experience and work with on a daily basis.
After all in the last twenty years we have seen remarkable healing of all sorts – through healers, through assemblies, through groups, through prayer. We have seen a power of spirit cure cancer, leukemia, diabetes, we have all seen incredible transformations. Well, if the power of spirit can do this then the same power should be able to get me a job. This is “bring it down home”. And this is very important: this work is a work of alignment – it’s not a work of escape. The whole purpose of creating the work you love and moving into our life’s work is to bring the heaven and the earth together. To bring the intuition and a practical together and to take that deep intelligence and apply it to day-to-day situations.

So we ask in the sixth chakra that we can open to the unknown and bring into the known. And that will generally guard us and guide us against the inflated delusional position.”

Rick Jarow “The Ultimate Anti-Career Guide”

(Thank you, whoever first posted this – n.)

86. nigel - April 6, 2011

Something that REB would do well to consider…..

“The world should lose her qualities if the celestial spheres should forget their wanted motions; if nature should intermit her colours and leave altogether the observations of her own laws: if the moon should wander from her beaten way; the times and seasons blend themselves by disordered and confused mixture: what shall become of man who sees not plainly that obedience unto the laws of nature is the stay of the whole world.”

Poetry on Heavitree Sculpture 2009

87. John Doe - April 6, 2011

Nigel, please take a break.

88. NG - April 6, 2011

The fofids are so out of touch from reality, or ‘Life’, that it’s no laughing matter.
Here is another successful story from the U.S.O. (United States of Oblivion):
Member A was diagnosed with a tumor, so trying alternative methods seemed a great idea at that time: less intrusive and much, much less effective. After some time Member A was rushed to the hospital to have surgery to remove the out-of-control tumor together with a part of the body. Member A learned the hard lesson and instead of “western” follow-up therapy, resumed the alternative methods. Some more time passed, and nobody around Member A detected that particular other-than-subtle rotting odor; Member A was once again rushed to the hospital. Member A got from the efforts of the doctors the gift of one more year to live.
When detected, the cancer could have been easily removed, but Member A decided not to. “I respect the decision!” said pompously Member A’s dumb friend and fellow member.

Here’s another successful story:
Member B, was so absorbed in the work that never realized to be a diabetic. No problems, no discomfort, nothing that self remembering could not overcome.
The work has definitely made Member B lighter, now that part of the leg has been amputated due to gangrene. These Members are conquering eternal life one limb at the time. Healthy, boring everyday Members, even if scarce, do not make a great story, but cancer, amputations and death are a far better propaganda, because they face adversities and death with great anesthetic sense.

Member C recently died and the funeral eulogy served as an endless advertising campaign for the FOF-Zoo and its Chief-Tamer.
“Once I joined the school I never had any doubt. I knew it was the real thing.”
“I became acutely aware of my incredible good fortune of being near to you for thirty-two years and being a witness to the school’s ever-expanding knowledge that is being brought to us through your precious love.”
“…But ultimately, her life cannot be measured by any external facts or accomplishments. At death, it is clear that only a great, central, internal accomplishment – the accumulated moments of presence – is truly significant.” (?)
“…she was ready to move on. And in some mysterious way, because she has moved forward, we are moving forward, too.” (naturally)
“She knew how to find higher hydrogens…” and yet “She had a great dislike of esoteric pretension”. (?)
“She was completely dedicated to her teacher—not in an identified way, but as a student who was drawn by what he had achieved. She would say, “I want what he has.” (Among women and gays who wouldn’t want that… gift!)
More pearls of wisdom: “People just have to experience what they have to experience.”
“The Chief-Tamer commented that Member C, to date, has had more years working with Influence C than anyone else, and she took full advantage of her time. To follow her example is our finest testament to her.”

These are the fine examples of the very effective so called: zombie-propaganda.

Member C’s story offers yet another happy turn: Few days after her death a camel was born at the FOF-Zoo and it was miraculously named after her. If you want to see her after her death-defying-stunt you can find her roaming freely on the green pastures of the Zoo compound.

P.s. We would like to extend our deepest sympathy, compassion and understanding to the unfortunate above mentioned.

89. qwertyuiop - April 6, 2011

John, I’m inclined to say the same thing, but I find it easier just to skip it, scroll down, and move on to the next post. Or to just stop reading altogether. By returning to the blog, even it it’s just a post or two — which is pretty similar to what a lot of people do — you’re contributing to the general tone like everyone else.

Nigel, nothing personal, but I don’t read 95% of your posts, but occasionally I do see something I like and appreciate.

John, People have a way of reading what they want to hear, just like they hear what they want to hear. If they somehow gain the perspective that the FOF is an oasis of quiet sanity compared to the crazy commentary on an internet page, then it sounds like they have a pretty bad case — not much can help them anyway.

90. fofblogmoderator - April 6, 2011

88 is new

91. Wouldnt You Like To Know - April 7, 2011

88. NG – April 6, 2011

Nice post. Thank you.

‘Tis all a Chequer-board of Nights and Days
Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays:
Hither and thither moves, and mates, and slays,
And one by one back in the Closet lays.

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam by Edward FitzGerald

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92. brucelevy - April 7, 2011

93. brucelevy - April 7, 2011

94. John Doe - April 7, 2011

89.
Good refereeing!

95. qwertyuiop - April 8, 2011

The following Amazon reviews are from the book, “Torn From The Arms of Satan: A True Story of Seduction and Escape from A Contemporary New Age Cult”


Burchard & Carlone in the revelatory “Torn From the Arms of Satan”, have rendered an invaluable service to everyone on this planet. All of us need to be alerted to the inherent danger of evil predators whose sole purpose is to control and enslave others. No one is immune to their wiles, to the tantalizing prospect of having one’s uncertainties fulfilled and all questions answered. Wake up America! Be prepared to reject these monsters and to help and understand those tragic unfortunates who have fallen prey to them. Read this book!


This book is not about satanism. It is a well-written journal describing a hellish, suburban cult experience.

The authors have chronicled Ms. Burchard’s nineteen-year involvement with a group of dependent, weak-willed individuals dominated by a greedy and manipulative leader. The leader used verbal intimidation, physical threats, and social isolation to erode members’ self-confidence. Ms. Burchard stagnated and lost over $165,000 during her nineteen-year cult experience. She was able to leave the cult only after Ms. Carlone met and befriended her. Ms. Carlone and her husband provided the insight, objectivity, and emotional support that Ms. Burchard needed to grow and to break with the cult.

The authors’ writing style conveys emotion without being sensational. Their description of their experience effectively and believably portrays the power of cultish mind control.

This is a story of tragic introduction to a new age guru through the victim’s mother and of a friendship that prevailed to enable leaving the cult. Her friend, who coauthored this work, was a constant source of support. She provided observations, rarely noted, of a victim while under the confines of cult influence. It is excitingly written. The reader wonders why didn’t she get rid of this guru much sooner then she did. We learn again and again how difficult it is for any victim to disentangle themselves of the cult burden. We see clearly the intimidation and self justification of the guru. His actions are decidedly that of a sociopath. He exploited her almost to the point of financial ruin. She is faced with many unresolved issues in her contacts with this “wisdom” filled rogue, but our writer manages to lay aside the scars of her brutal treatment and salvages a life of her own. I consider the care and direction given by her friend as close to miraculous. Judith Carlone prodded with sensitivity, and considered her actions humbly as no more than a duty to a friend. I thank the authors for providing us with the subtleties of cult involvement along with the agonizing decisions to break the spell. An incredible story.

Since there is no such thing as “Satan,” the very title of this book “threw me off” when browsing the book store, but since it was in the “bargan bin,” I felt it was wortyh two dollars to read. Now that I’ve read it, I want my two dollars back— it was not worth it.

It is well and good to relate anecdotal information if it is then supported by good data; the author does not bother doing this. It is also okay to add emotionalism to retain the reader’s interest =IF= it is then followed with reasoned, sensible facts and information— which the author also has not done.

All in all, a waste of time. Please consider reading a different book.

Having read the book and met with the author’s, I found the book slim on facts and overall lacking merit in self help. Whereas, I am sure they were part of a group that should be investigated, the authors are as extreme. Self help and improvement books take a solid and inner tone of problem recognition and ways moving from dark problem places to everyday life. Both the authors and the book think they have pin pointed a problem and have moved into the mainstream. In point of fact, both the book and authors are still in a very dark place and are seeking revenge more then anything else.

First of all, this is not a self help book. It is an autobiographical account of a woman who was trapped for 19 years in a therapy cult. This book is not “slim on facts”; it is filled with facts – even complicated and painful emotional issues are described objectively. I found the authors passionate in their delivery. They were eloquent and successful in conveying to the reader the covert manipulations, hidden agendas and faulty logic of the cult leader. Contrary to your assertion, the co-author was never involved in the group’s activities, she helped her escape. I found myself feeling “rage at injustice” for the woman who was trapped and cheered every time she broke another bar of the jail he created for her. This book shows a woman’s courage to climb out of an emotional hell-hole by confronting every contradiction to her doctrine. Being sexually exploited, losing over $200,000.00 to a lie and throwing away all of those years would make anyone angry, however, I didn’t feel any attitudes of revenge coming from the authors. Anger is a normal stage that a victim passes through before they let it go. The tone of your review has shown people who understand how ignorant and compassionless you really are.

Many personal experiences told by former cult members are written in a simplistic fashion. They describe their life in the cult as a living Hell and express gratitude that they are out, but they do not describe their struggles, their ambivalences and their confusion. Their stories are interesting from the point of view of learning about the beliefs of the cult, but they do not offer insight into the human condition. This book does offer those insights. Most of the narrative is written by Ms. Burchard, who was innocently unwary of a manipulative sociopathic cult leader who could seduce people, exploit them, and discard them with no sense of the fact that he was destroying people’s lives. Ms. Burchard’s explanation of her entry into the cult, her life within it, and her subsequent leave taking is honest, self-revealing and complex. Outsiders can easily see that the group members’ beliefs are bizarre and absurd. Ms. Burchard helps us to comprehend how an intelligent, insightful and well read individual could be manipulated into accepting those beliefs. Her long struggle to leave and her initial reluctance to give up those beliefs, even after she knew they were false, help us to understand the complexity of mind control and manipulation. Ms. Carlone’s struggle was not to come to grips with the truth or falsity of the leader’s claims. She was not caught up in the cult leader’s web and could clearly see the absurdity of the group’s beliefs. Her problem was how to convey that insight to Ms. Burchard without alienating her. Ms. Carlone’s dilemma is that which is faced every day by family members and friends of cult members. Her consistent, loving approach to helping her friend realize that she was in a destructive situation is a blueprint that others can learn from and emulate. This book is not about dangerous minds still in dark places. It is about normal human beings caught up in a hurricane of manipulation and exploitation. Any of us, under the proper set of circumstances, could get caught in a cult. This book helps us to understand how that could happen. It is insightful and thought-provoking. The fact that it is also fascinating is a tribute to the story-telling skills of the authors.

96. qwertyuiop - April 8, 2011

brucelevy,

Loved the movie trailer:

“Feel free to give, if you feel led. It’s between you and God, but…

We’re tracking it.”

97. X-ray - April 9, 2011

95. qwertyuiop – April 8, 2011

“Torn From The Arms of Satan: A True Story of Seduction and Escape from A Contemporary New Age Cult”’

I think it says it all.

98. Golden Veil - April 9, 2011

A description of “Torn From The Arms of Satan: A True Story of Seduction and Escape from A Contemporary New Age Cult”

In 1977, during Thanksgiving vacation of her freshman year at Swarthmore College, Elizabeth, at her mother’s insistence, attended a “stress-reduction” session with a biofeedback technician on staff at a Manhattan psychologist’s office. During that first visit this man filled her ears with prophetic visions of a glorious future, the inheritance of those fortunate few who might choose to accompany him. His confidence and charisma were so entrancing that she soon recruited two of her college roommates. When the psychologist fired his assistant two years later, Elizabeth and her mother followed. Over the next decade this man, a malevolent genius and master of twisting spiritual truth to benefit a self-serving agenda,organized a small dedicated band of followers. “The Group” evolved into an incestuous family a cult. Their minds were fused with brainwashed doctrine of distinctly New Age philosophies. An intimate group of spiritual “Navy Seals”, they scrambled in terror, preparing themselves to survive an approaching spiritual catastrophe, one man’s divine vision of Armageddon. Subsequent to a momentous event in August 1994, “The Black Dog Religion” was born with their leader as high priest. Elizabeth sank lower and lower into a pit of despair, darker than she ever could have imagined. She became so deeply buried that escape seemed impossible. From the childish gullibility that seduced her astray, to the enlightenment which led to her freedom, you will travel an incredible journey. For anyone who has ever been trapped by a person who would not let them go, within this book lies a message of truth and hope.

Anything here sound familiar?

99. nigel - April 9, 2011

Many Shall Come Saying ”I Am The Christ” And Deceive Many

Published on Wednesday, April 01, 2009

©2011 One Christian Ministry™

Among the many end times warnings that Jesus Christ (the Son of God) gave us, one of the most famous and important statements is: “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matthew 24:4-5 King James Version). Most Christians have believed that this statement means that people will show up claiming to be Jesus Christ. This is an accurate understanding, but as we go deeper and deeper into the emerging new age end times, it is apparent that this warning actually had a multi-level meaning. We have identified at least 3.

1. “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matthew 24:4-5 King James Version). People will come saying that they are “Jesus Christ”, and deceive many. This is already happening. I would not suggest it, but I’m sure that if you were to search the internet, you would find actual living people who are claiming to be Jesus Christ. However, these people are usually considered psychotic, and rightly so. They do not necessarily deceive many, although I’m sure the time will come when they really will. There are however false “Jesus’” arising all the time, who look and sound as if they were the real Jesus, but are actually false. Even though they are not currently walking around us as we would expect a false Christ to do so, they are in fact coming in the name of Jesus Christ (usually in books), saying they are “Jesus” and deceiving many. *Know the TRUTH: if it’s a depiction of Jesus that is in contradiction to the Jesus Christ documented in the Holy Bible, then that contrary depiction is a FALSE depiction. The Jesus Christ documented in the Holy Bible is Yeshua, the true Biblical Messiah and savior! Amen.

2. “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matthew 24:4-5 King James Version). People will come as if Christians [IN MY NAME], saying, Jesus is the Christ [SAYING, I AM CHRIST]; and shall deceive many. This is happening all the time! The enemy is rising up leaders who are professing Jesus Christ, and yet are not Biblical Christians. Likewise, some are claiming to be Biblical, teaching from the Bible, and yet they are wickedness. Because they are professing Jesus Christ, people are being deceived by them, believing that they can follow them.

3. “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matthew 24:4-5 King James Version). People are arising all the time, who do not claim to be “Jesus Christ”, however they do claim to be a “Christ” [SAYING: I AM CHRIST]. There are countless new age people all over the world who will claim that Jesus is not “THE CHRIST”, but rather “A CHRIST”. New age people usually try to explain this by saying how the Greek word “kristos” or “Christ” simply means “the anointed”, and that “Jesus” found out how to be a “Christ”, and that’s what his ministry was about – to teach us how to become anointed; to teach us how to become a “christ” like him. The dictionary now defines the word “Christ” as “someone regarded as similar to Jesus of Nazareth.” They may call it “the Christ within” or “the Christ consciousness”. How seductive is that? Why do you need Jesus to get to God, when you can be a Christ as well? In their sinful deceived minds, they fail to believe the word of God which says: “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He [the one who denieth] is antichrist” (1 John 2:22 King James Version). Rephrased: an anti-christ is someone that denies that Jesus is THE CHRIST, not a Christ, but THE CHRIST. No one will have “Christ within” unless they have Jesus Christ living within their lives through the Holy Ghost. This will not come to anyone who is not a saved, born again Christian. This will not come to anyone who would dare to claim that they could become a “Christ”!

BE NOT DECEIVED! Jesus Christ says the truth: “Without me ye can do nothing.” (John 15:5 King James Version).

As we head farther and farther into the end times, more explanations of Matthew 24:4-5 may come to pass. Therefore, let us remember one of the most vital truths God has ever given us. Jesus Christ proclaims to all of existence: “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father [GOD], but by me.” (John 14:6 King James Version).

100. nigel - April 9, 2011

98 comment…..

Although I agree that this is pretty much the case, I am perturbed that we should wait for ‘the right Christ’. I believe that we are working (myself and many others I know both personally and at a distance) towards the New Age when the Female will be reknowned for her Ultimate Universal Power as the Creative Spirit. Christ will have his Redemption Day but in the End of Today it is the Givingness of Womanhood that will prove Worthy…..Nigel.

101. X-ray - April 10, 2011

A fabricated bible, which Jesus never had the chance to edit, design to control the masses in strict religious context where God and those who ‘represent’ Him on the Eart are all and you are nothing.
Get real, wake up.

102. nigel - April 10, 2011

100 X-ray

Funnily enough, for the most part, I agree with you. One year, not so long ago, I took my Christening Bible, and tore out all the pages of ‘demeaning crap’ that I thought irrelevant to Human Potential. There are beautiful passages in the Bible, which I find emotionally envigorating – but, it being the most published book on the planet, it is also most likely to be the most mongrelized and cannabilized.

By the way, X-ray, I have awakened, in the True Spiritual Sense of the Word…..Nigel.

103. X-ray - April 10, 2011

I’m sure you do, Nige, in your own way to your own things, but generally speaking, if a spiritual awakening is not to the lies, then what are we awakening to?
Yes, bible has good things in it which must be filtered out thru our own understanding of things. Nothing should be taken blindly.

104. nigel - April 10, 2011

102 X-ray

Completely agree with you, but on a very different subject…..

(G—- C——, my new-found pub-friend and Crown Court Barrister has heard my FOF story, in brief, and intimations of the blogsite and says about the FBI, if they have any inkling of wrongdoing and illegalities – “You can bet your last nickel that they will take their time being thorough then descend on REB, enablers and the ‘church/corporation’ ‘like a ton-of-bricks’ and swiftly too!”…..

“THE CLOCK IS SLOWLY TICKING DOWN!!!!!…..”

Now for G—-‘s GEM…..

Mann Act From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910 (ch. 395, 36 Stat. 825; codified as amended at 18 U.S.C. §§ 2421–2424), better known as the Mann Act after Congressman James Robert Mann, is a United States law which in its original form prohibited white slavery and the interstate transport of females for “immoral purposes”. Its primary stated intent was to address prostitution, immorality, and human trafficking. While its ambiguous immorality language allowed selective prosecutions for many years, it was later amended by Congress to apply only to transport for the purpose of prostitution or illegal sexual acts.

The most common use of the Mann Act was to prosecute men for having sex with underage women. It was also used to harass others who had drawn the authorities’ wrath for “immoral” behavior.

The first person prosecuted under the act was African-American heavyweight boxing champion Jack Johnson in a case with strong racist overtones. He had had an interracial affair with a white prostitute named Lucille Cameron, but she refused to cooperate with the prosecution; Johnson later married her. Less than a month later he was re-arrested for having crossed a state line, before the Mann Act was passed, with Belle Schreiber, a prostitute who had left a brothel. She testified against him, and Johnson was convicted and sentenced to the maximum penalty of a year and a day in prison.

Pioneering sociologist William I. Thomas’s academic career at the University of Chicago was irreversibly damaged after he was arrested under the act when caught in the company of one Mrs. Granger, the wife of an army officer with the American forces in France. Thomas was acquitted at trial.

Canadian author Elizabeth Smart described being arrested under the Mann Act in 1940 when crossing a state border with her lover, the British poet George Barker, in her book “By Grand Central Station I Sat Down and Wept”. She memorably intertwined the callous police interrogation under this law with quotations about love from the ‘Song of Songs.

The 1948 Mann Act prosecution of Frank La Salle for abducting Florence Sally Horner is believed to have been an inspiration for Vladimir Nabokov in writing his novel “Lolita”. The book’s protagonist Humbert Humbert, seeking to escape watchful eyes and bind the girl, Dolores Haze, more closely to him, also conducted a multi-state road trip during the course of the story.

In the late 1950s, Kid Cann, an organized crime figure from Minneapolis, Minnesota, was prosecuted and convicted under the Mann Act after transporting a prostitute from Chicago to Minnesota. His conviction was later overturned on appeal. Even later, Kid Cann was prosecuted and convicted of offering a $25,000 bribe to a juror at his trial under the Mann Act.

As there is no federal U.S. law against polygamy as such, except in territories, the Mann Act has been used by federal officials wishing to penalize polygamy to prosecute various polygamist individuals known as Mormon fundamentalists. (All U.S. states have anti-polygamy laws; in recent years state authorities have sometimes targeted organized polygamists.) The twin communities of Colorado City, Arizona and Hildale, Utah, Bountiful, British Columbia, and sites in Mexico are historic locations of several Mormon Fundamentalist sects. Mormon Fundamentalist Leaders and individuals have been charged under Mann when “wives” are transported across the Utah-Arizona state line or the U.S.-Canadian and U.S.-Mexican borders.

Notable individuals arrested – Person, Year, Decision…..

Tony Alamo, 2008, Convicted.

Chuck Berry, 1962, Convicted. In January 1962 Berry was sentenced to three years in prison for offenses under the Mann Act when he had transported a 14-year-old girl across state lines.

Farley Drew Caminetti, 1913, Convicted. He and Maury I. Diggs took their mistresses from Sacramento, California to Reno, Nevada. Their wives informed the police, and both men were arrested in Reno. The case, Caminetti v. United States, expanded Mann Act prosecutions from prostitution to non-commercial extramarital sex.

Charlie Chaplin, 1944, Acquitted. Chaplin met Joan Barry, age 24, and signed her to a $75-a-week contract for “acting” and she became his mistress. By the summer of 1942 Chaplin let her contract expire. To send her home, Chaplin paid her train fare to New York which led to his arrest.

Finis Dake, 1937, Convicted. In 1937, he was convicted of violating the Mann Act by willfully transporting 16-year-old Emma Barelli across the Wisconsin state line “for the purpose of debauchery and other immoral practices.” The May 27, 1936, issue of the Chicago Daily Tribune reported that Dake registered at hotels in Waukegan, Bloomington, and East St. Louis with the girl under the name “Christian Anderson and wife”. In order to avoid a jury trial and the possibility of being sentenced to a maximum of 10 years in prison and a fine of $10,000, Dake pled guilty. Subsequently, he served six months in the House of Corrections in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Rex Ingram, 1949, Convicted. Pleading guilty to the charge of transporting a teenage girl to New York for immoral purposes, he was sentenced to eighteen months in jail. He served just ten months of his sentence, but the incident had a serious impact on his career for the next six years.

Jack Johnson, 1912, Convicted.

Charles Manson, 1960, Convicted. Manson took two prostitutes from California to New Mexico to work.

William I. Thomas, 1918, Acquitted. Pioneering sociologist William I. Thomas’s academic career at the University of Chicago was irreversibly damaged after he was arrested under the act when caught in the company of one Mrs. Granger, the wife of an army officer with the American forces in France. Thomas was acquitted at trial.

Frank Lloyd Wright, 1926, Charges dropped. In October 1926, Wright and Olga Lazovich Hinzenburg were accused of violating the Mann Act and he was arrested in Minnetonka, Minnesota.

Notable individuals investigated under the Act…..

Dusan Popov, a World War II Allied spy with a “James Bond” lifestyle, was threatened with arrest under the Mann Act.

Individuals associated with a Emperors Club VIP prostitution ring that had former Governor of New York Eliot Spitzer as a client.

Individuals associated with the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) church, such as Warren Jeffs and Merril Jessop have refused to answer question during depositions and court hearing, citing the 5th amendment, over concerns of self-incrimination related to “potential state investigation still ongoing, as well as criminal investigations under the Mann Act out of the U.S. Attorney’s Office.”

Mann Act case decisions by the United States Supreme Court…..

Hoke v. United States, 227 U.S. 308 (1913). The Court held that Congress could not regulate prostitution per se, as that was strictly the province of the states. Congress could, however, regulate interstate travel for purposes of prostitution or “immoral purposes.”

Athanasaw v. United States, 227 U.S. 326 (1913). The Court decided that the law was not limited strictly to prostitution, but to “debauchery” as well.

Caminetti v. United States, 242 U.S. 470 (1917). The Court decided that the Mann Act applied not strictly to purposes of prostitution, but to other non-commercial consensual sexual liaisons. Thus consensual extramarital sex falls within the genre of “immoral sex.”

Gebardi v. United States, 287 U.S. 112 (1932). The Court held that the statutory intent was not to punish a woman’s acquiescence; therefore, consent by the woman does not expose her to liability.

Cleveland v. United States, 329 U.S. 14 (1946). The Court decided that a person can be prosecuted under the Mann Act even when married to the woman if the marriage is polygamous. Thus polygamous marriage was determined to be an “immoral purpose.”

Bell v. United States, 349 U.S. 81 (1955). The Supreme Court decided that simultaneous transportation of two women across state lines constituted only one violation of the Mann Act, not two violations.

Congressional amendments to the law…..

In 1978, Congress updated the act’s definition of “transportation” and added protections against commercial sexual exploitation for minors. It added a 1986 amendment which further protected minors and added protection for adult males. In particular, as part of a larger 1986 bill focused on criminalizing various aspects of child pornography that passed unanimously in both houses of Congress, the Mann act was further amended to replace the ambiguous “debauchery” and “any other immoral purpose” with the more specific “any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense” as well as to make it gender-neutral.

“Federal prosecutors rarely charge clients in prostitution cases, which are generally seen as state crimes. But the Mann Act, passed by Congress in 1910 to address prostitution, human trafficking and what was viewed at the time as immorality in general, makes it a crime to transport someone between states for the purpose of prostitution. The four defendants charged in the case unsealed last week were all charged with that crime, along with several others.”

105. J. D. - April 10, 2011

Nigel:99
“I believe that we are working towards the New Age when the Female will be reknowned for her Ultimate Universal Power as the Creative Spirit. Christ will have his Redemption Day but in the End of Today it is the Givingness of Womanhood that will prove Worthy.”
Apart from the pernicious/hilarious use of the capital letters, maybe it’s time for another session!

106. J. D. - April 10, 2011

Nigel:103
“Caminetti v. United States, 242 U.S. 470 (1917). The Court decided that the Mann Act applied not strictly to purposes of prostitution, but to other non-commercial consensual sexual liaisons. Thus consensual extramarital sex falls within the genre of “immoral sex.”

Yes! The clock is slooooooooowly ticking down… for half of the U.S. population.

107. X-ray - April 10, 2011

‘Robert Burton, California, 2011, Convicted.’

This is what I want to hear.

108. fofblogmoderator - April 11, 2011

98, 105 & 106 are new

109. nigel - April 11, 2011

105/106 J.D.

I believe you have posted 4 or 5 times on the blog and all I hear is your denial of what I may say are people’s ‘minor revelations’.

Please be a contributor…..Nigel

(And, by the way, if you mean by session a psychiatrist, my social worker, Becky Burton – funny how that name crops up?! – is coming to see me in an hour. She has a copy of my Wellness Recovery Action Plan, which I update every year. My father will be attending and we will have to thrash out the whole father-dominance/womanly-support saga. This is what I meant by the Rising of the Female Spirit…..n.)

110. nigel - April 11, 2011

Comment on Whitman’s “There was a Child Went Forth”

“I like how as the child gets older, the lines of the poem get longer. Written in free-verse, there is an overlapping progression seen throughout
the poem: the child first notices objects, then nature, then animals, then people, then machines. The progression can also be seen in the specific
things the child notices: at first, he or she notices “early” lilacs, third-month lambs, calves…all things representing new life. The child begins to understand that many different things can have the same color, such as the red and white morning-glories and the clover. Then the child branches out to the barnyard and sees “field-sprouts of the Fourth- and Fifth-month” and apples trees with flowers and then “the fruit afterward,” symbolizing the growing maturity of the child. He or she is beginning to differentiate people by their age, gender, and race, and behavior, as seen by the descriptions of many different kinds of people. Another interesting point: the child realizes that not everything he sees is good, such as the drunkard and the weeds. The poem then moves to the parents and shows that along with giving the child physical life, the mother and father also gave their child more of themselves than that: it talks about the “wholesome,” gentle mother before talking about the “mean, anger’d, unjust” father. However, these words are not meant to be as harsh as they seem. Fathers (as well as mothers) seem “mean” to their children when they make rules and set limits, “anger’d” when their child disobeys those limits, and “unjust” when they punish their child for their disobedience. All of the child’s family experiences stay with him during his life, and at home he can always find “affection that is not gainsay’d.” As the child gets older, he begins to think about the things he views – “the doubts of day-time and the doubts of night-time” – and wonders if things happen by random chance or if there is a purpose to his everyday life. The rest of the poem uses very descriptive language. It first talks about a
journey on a ferry that in today’s world can be compared to a child going off to college. Although it makes one nervous, there is still a safe destination in sight: “the village in the highland.” Also, a ferry is a large, slow-moving boat, and much less frightening than a tiny schooner, being hurried and slapped by “tumbling waves.” The voyage on the schooner can be compared to the rest of the child’s life: unsure and dangerous, but most likely worth the trip. The image of the horizon suggests an unknown, an area still to be discovered, adventures that have yet to take place, etc. “The strata of color’d clouds, the long bar of maroon-tint away solitary by itself, the spread of purity it lies motionless in…these became part of that child who went forth every day, and who now goes, and will always go forth every day.” Each one of our experiences has an effect on us, whether temporary or permanent, that shapes the rest of our lives. ”

I am not exactly sure that any of my analysis is correct; I am only writing down the ideas that came to my mind when I read the poem. Everyone is
different and no two people will ever read the same poem the exact same way. Walt Whitman is the man; everytime I read this poem I see something
new. Enjoy.

(Copied and pasted…..not my words…..Nigel.)

111. J. D. - April 11, 2011

Sorry, my 4 or 5 posts are my contribution!
I know… I know, they are far from 200, they have not been daily doubles and they are not torrential. They might not be agreeable or just likable therefore they may not qualify as a contribution… Are you by any chance falling for the same old cultist psychological loop?

(And, by the way, Yes, I meant by session a psychiatrist. I’m happy for you that you are working on it. Truly, all the best!)

112. The Master of Bullshit - April 11, 2011

I don’t think many people who have left the School would want to be as they were before they joined, whatever their feelings about the Fellowship or Robert.

113. nigel - April 11, 2011

111 J.D.

I feel we are treading, both, middle ground. Meeting and not crashing into each other. Bless us all…..Nigel.

I try not to be cultist…..but I have found something that REB would have tried to sell me by money, labour and degradation of all my being…..love you much…..n.

114. nigel - April 11, 2011

Somehow tyhis moves me with AGAPE, from “Aspects of Love”

Love, love changes everything
Hands and faces, earth and sky
Love, love changes everything
How you live and how you die
Love, love can make the summer fly
Or a night seem like a lifetime
Yes love, love changes everything
Now I tremble at your name
Nothing in the world will ever be the same.

Love, love changes everything
Days are longer, words mean more
Love, love changes everything
Pain is deeper than before
Love will turn your world around
And that world will last forever
Yes love, love changes everything
Brings you glory, brings you shame
Nothing in the world will ever be the same.

Off into the world we go
Planning futures, shaping years
Love (comes in) and suddenly all our wisdom disappears
Love makes fools of everyone
All the rules we made are broken
Yes love, love changes everyone
Live or perish in its flame
Love will never never let you be the same
Love will never never let you be the same

115. nigel - April 11, 2011

“I need all the Karma I can get right now” – Ray Kinsella, ‘Field of Dreams’ – my favourite movie yet…..

I have no partner to warm me at night….. just a dog who gives unconditional love….. the Universe will provide, as always…..

Sorry to be falling apart when I want to be eloquent…..I love language and what it can provide and nourish…..but sometimes one has to lay oneself open and trust!!!!!…..Nigel.

116. qwertyuiop - April 12, 2011

“Creepy Abandoned Mansions”
http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/creepy-abandoned-mansions.html

“Creepy Abandoned Mansions One Day To Be”
http://www.beingpresent.org

117. Someone - April 12, 2011

1. nigel – March 13, 2011

I can imagine what was going on in that agent’s mind when he read that letter from one Nigel Harris Price asking to investigate an organization he left 22 years ago…
Investigations are costly. It is unlikely that any authority will start investigating anything without some direct evidences.
You are asking them to start comprehensive felonious and tax related investigations giving them mere old rumors.
Unless someone comes forward with personal testimony that is relatively recent (not from the eighties) you will come up with nothing.

118. fofblogmoderator - April 12, 2011

112 & 116 are new

119. X-ray - April 12, 2011

112. The Master of Bullshit – April 11, 2011

‘I don’t think many people who have left the School would want to be as they were before they joined, whatever their feelings about the Fellowship or Robert.’

If people have changed to the better in the cult, that change would be inspite of the cult, growing against and out of its doctrine, otherwise you would only become more indoctrinated, dogmatic and blind, and to assign the credit of change in those who truly have changed to a charlatan Burton, would be a mistake, because Burton does not have an intention nor knowledge or skill to bring any positive changes in his students.
The fellowship cult is designed for only one purpose of enriching and gratifying personal needs of Robert Burton.

120. J. D. - April 12, 2011

MOB:112

I agree;
personally I value the lesson I learned about what belief and cults make you do and turn you into.
Yet I disagree; I’d rather have my thirties back and wish I never moved to F*.@%^# Oregon House. Bottom line (X-ray) one makes experiences and friends no matter what, good or bad. Zoo-FOF or not Zoo-FOF Blow-Bob or not Blow-Bob. (Better not, so what?)

fofblogmoderator:108-118

Please be a contributor…

121. J. D. - April 12, 2011

And now for the daily-double.

122. nigel - April 12, 2011

116 qwertyuiop

Adandoned Mansions soon to be…..

Yeah…..Burton’s Folly!!!!!…..Nigel.

123. X-ray - April 13, 2011

120. J. D. – April 12, 2011

‘Bottom line (X-ray) one makes experiences and friends no matter what, good or bad.’

Bottom line, J. D. there are other ways in life to learn good things and make good friends than wasting life in a destructive cult run by old pathetic pervert gay.

124. nigel - April 13, 2011

There are, literally, worlds of difference between being uncontrollably mystical and being a charismatic, narcissistic, mealomaniacal psychotic (REB)…..Nigel.

125. J. D. - April 14, 2011

X-ray:123

Exactly!

126. silentpurr - April 14, 2011

The bottom line is that there continue to be confused people convinced that something about themselves needs to be changed, found or created…

127. qwertyuiop - April 14, 2011

Regarding change and growth or “creating a soul”. . .

So, if that’s truly what I’m about, then the first step may be to see that I already “have” the thing that I want, and already “am” the thing I’m trying to be. This idea that we are a not complete beings, that we’re asleep, and so forth… Eventually we start to believe it if we keep repeating these mantras often enough, and maybe in a sense we create that reality. I absolutely believe this was true for me when I joined the Fellowship of Friends, and that it’s one of the unfortunate side-effects of joining this cult and getting stuck within it.

The power of suggestion in the human mind is remarkable. But once a person wises up to the potential negative effects of that power, they’re also less likely to fall prey to a guru or become self-imprisoned by an elaborate set of cult ideas and dogma. And instead they begin to focus on the positive realities and positive potential in their lives, rather than all of the things they lack, and all of their supposed limitations and weaknesses.

Someone once articulated the difference between starting the day with:

“Good God… morning.”

–versus–

“Good morning, God!”

The Fellowship of Friends creates fertile conditions for Self-Hatred and Self-Limitation. If we have a little champagne and enjoy some sesame chicken with a California sunset, all is well, and we can site there and nod in agreement with a few fellow fof’ers. We turn our heads from the sad reality for an hour here, and an hour there, thanking the deities that we’re on the right path.

But ultimately, we rise the next morning with the usual thoughts of self-disgust. We then work hard for the next several hours believing that we need to stick with The Road to free ourselves from that nagging and chronic feeling of Self-Doubt — never realizing that it’s largely The Road itself that is causing it. We then laugh a bit, and smile knowingly, when we see those who do not understand just how lucky we are.

Next day, same thing. And the next day, same thing. And the next….

128. Someone - April 15, 2011

127. qwertyuiop – April 14, 2011

My experience while being in the FoF is quite the opposite.

If there was any salvage indoctrination in the FoF, I never really felt it and I have been there for many many years, maybe more than most of those who are writing here.

The general message was ‘observe yourself and be present’. That is particularly true in the recent years after some past theories were abandoned.

To be honest, there were times that I wished RB would speak more about the light at the end of the tunnel, but usually he kept saying the same things telling the students to be present.

My criticism of the FoF is in a different area.
While many students were taking care of themselves financially, I was totally neglecting myself. For years no one has ever told me that I need to take care of myself. I know it was my responsibility, but I think they could see how poor I was and tell me that I must improve my financial situation.

After I left in terrible poverty (I had hard time to buy food) I managed to really put things right. Luckily I am in a business that is almost unaffected by the economical crisis.
For a year now, I am a nationwide distributer of a crucial surgical (medical) component. It has one competitor in NA and there is plenty of market share.

Stating that everything that takes place in the FoF is condemnable is quite childish and creates lack of credibility. The FoF has its advantages and disadvantage.

The sexual matters or RB are totally condemnable, yet there are other aspects in the FoF that are very positive.

It is really glib to say that each and every current member in the FoF is in mental captivity. There are many creative, intelligent and well balanced FoF members that I respect and like even today.

I will not go back there because I have much better life today than before. But there are current members who run their lives in the FoF quite well.

129. Agent 45 - April 15, 2011

The Fellowship of Friends would like to thank its members for their continued financial and moral support and especially for their tacit endorsement of all things Robert Burton.

130. qwertyuiop - April 15, 2011

Someone. I think you stated it concisely: “mental captivity.”

The FOF teaches that people outside their cult (including those who employ them, for example) live their lives in a dream, chronically unaware that they are asleep and that a horrible fate awaits them in the afterlife because they are not members of the FOF. People within the cult avert their eyes to anything their leader does, as long as they have a social life and a sense that the cult is “helping them to awaken.” No matter how you spin it, you got it right: It’s mental captivity.

131. nigel - April 15, 2011

130 qwertyuiop

A “bottom line” post. Thank you…..Nigel.

132. X-ray - April 15, 2011

128. Someone – April 15, 2011

127. qwertyuiop – April 14, 2011

‘If there was any salvage indoctrination in the FoF, I never really felt it and I have been there for many many years, maybe more than most of those who are writing here. ‘

That’s because you were and still are indoctrinated or, you were and still are paid by the cult to throw at us your stinking whitewash which smells as bad as it was smelling a year or two ago.

133. X-ray - April 15, 2011

128. Someone – April 15, 2011

And by the way, someone, to be there ‘many many years and maybe more than most of people writing here’, is an embarrassment and shame, not a thing to be proud of.

134. nigel - April 16, 2011

“I’m here so please explain
Why you’re opening up a healing wound again
I’m a little more careful
Perhaps it shows
But if I lose the highs, at least I’m spared the lows…..” (Will Young – ‘Leave Right Now’)

“The Fellowship of Friends creates fertile conditions for Self-Hatred and Self-Limitation. If we have a little champagne and enjoy some sesame chicken with a California sunset, all is well, and we can sit there and nod in agreement with a few fellow fof’ers. We turn our heads from the sad reality for an hour here, and an hour there, thanking the deities that we’re on the right path.”

(127 qwertyuiop)

The ‘monkey up and down the stick toy’ of FOF emotionality works incredibly well. The ‘positive events’ feed ‘higher parts’ (find your own explanations), so that makes up for ‘ all the suffering’ they have in ‘life’…..Nigel

135. qwertyuiop - April 16, 2011

Nigel, healing is such a good thing, isn’t it? It’s gradual but occasional there are some ah-hah moments that provide a jolt of positive energy.

Many lessons in the FOF “school”, but mainly about what to avoid — both within ourselves and in others. The FOF was like a bad relationship with an abusive partner. At some point, all of the positives (there really weren’t that many, if you look closely) are outweighed by the painful reality. Sometimes the abused partner doesn’t wake up and leave until the abuse is fairly obvious, though, or until a person understands they’re enabling the abuser by hanging around.

Even our worst relationships from the past had something to teach us about how to make the next relationship healthier, happier, stronger and truer to our Nature. From that, I will acknowledge, I learned a lot in the Fellowship of Friends.

136. Golden Veil - April 16, 2011

Yes!

137. X-ray - April 17, 2011

135. qwertyuiop – April 16, 2011

‘Even our worst relationships from the past had something to teach us about how to make the next relationship healthier, happier, stronger and truer to our Nature. From that, I will acknowledge, I learned a lot in the Fellowship of Friends.’

Whatever you learned in the cult (if you learned anything) that would be inspite of the cult, not thanks to it, and that’s the point.
They have no knowledge nor intention to teach you anything.
Felloship is a money making machine for Robert Burton who is using this money to trafic humans from Russia for his own personal needs.

138. silentpurr - April 17, 2011

The esoteric meaning of the FOF is the ugly little secret that things really are far worse than we
thought.
We needn’t blame ourselves unless,of course, we “knowingly” contribute to the crime. Some students may be so compartmentalized that they cannot see their participation directly…
The development of Conscience is not high on the list of Fellowship studies.

139. Golden Veil - April 17, 2011

“Even our worst relationships from the past had something to teach us about how to make the next relationship healthier, happier, stronger and truer to our Nature. From that, I will acknowledge, I learned a lot in the Fellowship of Friends.” [Qwertyiop]

Yes, just to clarify, I did learn a lot in the Fellowship of Friends; but what I really took away wasn’t on the course syllabus. Actually a lot that was on the course syllabus was almost more like a strange kind of role play. Anybody out there in the Fellowship ever feel like you are play acting. There’s a lot of repression, isn’t there, and hypocrisy.

140. Panorea - April 17, 2011

What I have began to see is that the abusive relationships I was forced to endure during my childhood and my teen years continued in the Fellowship of Friends. A pathetic authoritarian father figure who abused the abused, who taught to separate the lower from the higher, who is a coward and indirect, who appears afraid, manipulative but has managed to attract enough intelligent people who keep him “protected” and in a bubble from the masses and who justify an unacceptable behaviour as “the play”, “man number 7 with access to higher centers”, what does this all do to one’s inner world? I think it messes people up. But I also think each individual needs to see what brought one to the Fellowship. And it is incredibly hard to go beyond the rubbish of “magnetic center”. What about “denial”, “escapism” some time of obsessive nature, the desire to look for signs everywhere, disappointments, abusive past, desire to be “different” but inability to fight and go for it…

I think everyone learns from every experience from one’s life. It helps when one can name the experience and not disguise it under the name of “transformation” and a constant checking and editing of one’s functions and abilities. The experience in the Fellowship was a scary trip at the edge. The quietness and “presence” during the “meetings” was a toxic sense in the centre of a hurricane. Nothing made senses and everything was turned around constantly to hide the unspeakable. We were frozen marionettes in the hands of a lost man. I cherish those few but quiet moments in my childhood. I build on them now and I am becoming the strong woman I was so much struggling to be in the Fellowship. I was a better person before the cult, but I learned a lot in the gutter.

141. nigel - April 17, 2011

140 Panorea

Brave post – to quote Oscar Wilde…..

“All men are lying in the gutter, but a few are looking at the stars.”

142. X-ray - April 18, 2011

138. silentpurr – April 17, 2011

‘The development of Conscience is not high on the list of Fellowship studies.’

No, it’s a lot worse than that.
Conscience in the FOF gets intentionaly numb, supressed and eventually killed.
Conscience is the enemy to any cultic indocrination.

143. Golden Veil - April 18, 2011

144. Someone - April 18, 2011

130. qwertyuiop – April 15, 2011

Based on my own experience you are wrong. RB used to tell the students that they were in imagination and asleep most of the time and in that respect they were NOT different from any other person outside the FoF. I remember that he used to say “We are not better than life, only luckier.”

He did make a difference between members and non members, yet it was in the sense of opportunities to leverage consciousness inside the School.

There was no patronizing and elitism based on any arrogant approach, because such approach considered to be imaginary in the FoF.

I am not defending the FoF, I am trying to describe things as they are.

The main focus should have been the sexual conduct, but unfortunately no one who has first hand experience dares to come forward and make a complaint.

145. Panorea - April 18, 2011

Someone,

with no need or desire to deny your post (since as you say this is your own experience and others have other experiences), I have to communicate that in my own experience Robert Burton has been continually dividing “Life” and his “school” and “members” and “non-members” (and the worst type of non-members being the ex-members) and there are written words of his in daily cards, “thoughts from the teacher” and other available journals. I have personally heard him calling life a failure and sleep. I can only say that you must have been one of the lucky ones who did not come that close to the “beloved teacher” and was part of a nice social center. Also, please do not say that you are “trying to describe things as they are”, because your opinion is very personal.

There are hundreds of ex-members who have voiced their experiences and how unpleasant they were. There are also many current members who are happy with what they have. What can one say? I know one gains so much by not twisting reality but looking something at the face.

I know some ex members who had first hand experience but the main thing they try to do it to get their lives back and get some peace and relate to people in a different way. The last thing they want is to be reminded of the orgy sessions they had to endure and be laughed at and humiliated (remember, they were mainly heterosexual men who were told the teacher had a gift and would be working with higher energies with them-what a privileged position to be…). Shame is a great driving force…

146. surelyujest - April 18, 2011

“We are not better than life, only luckier.”

Would anyone disagree that to be luckier is to be better? The truth about RB’s hideous message is hiding in plain sight. Even the term “life” is insulting and objectifying. The fact that anyone can repeat this nonsense as some kind of justification for Burton shows that you can remain enslaved long after you leave.

147. surelyujest - April 18, 2011

From a book review of “Soul Dust: The Magic of Consciousness”:

“Consciousness infuses us with the belief that we are more than mere flesh, that we matter, that we might have a life after death, that we have a “soul”. All of these are illusions – the magic of his title – but they have real effects, by making us want to live. As for religion? In his book he argues, “Long before religion could begin to get a foothold in human culture human beings must already have been living in soul land.””

http://newhumanist.org.uk/2533/natural-history-of-the-soul#

For anyone who believes that consciousness is anything other than brain activity, I encourage you to have a medical procedure that involves general anesthesia. If there is any “non-machine” consciousness, where does it go during the time you are anesthetized? The more obvious answer is that is what happens at death: nothing, and lots of it.

And so-called near-death experiences are not a valid counter argument. Those are instances of hearts stopping, not an absence of brain activity. Also, it’s interesting that people who dismiss the vast majority of humankind as uselessly asleep suddenly cling to their dying brain visions when they support their beliefs. How convenient.

Just because you believed something once, or even thought you had verified it, doesn’t mean you have to keep believing it after you’ve seen through its illusions. I used to believe in ghosts when I was little, so much so that I convinced myself I saw them. However on some level I knew even then I was deceiving myself.

148. J. D. - April 18, 2011

Someone:128

“The general message was ‘observe yourself and be present’.”

That same message has become a way to indifference, egotistic behavior and a tool to avoid contradictions and to coat hypocrisy.

“To be honest, there were times that I wished RB would speak more about the light at the end of the tunnel, but usually he kept saying the same things telling the students to be present.”

RB doesn’t know, he has no way of knowing and just the fact that someone implies the opposite is a sign of mental illness: he is a broken record. Speaking of broken let’s talk about his ‘tunnel’. It is so deep and hungry, that there is no light at the end of his tunnel, and for a woman it’s impossible to get the chance of exploration. The ‘tunnel’ is now monopoly of the happy-go-lucky Russians playing Marco Polo in it. Should ask them, when they reemerge.

“The sexual matters or RB are totally condemnable, yet there are other aspects in the FoF that are very positive”.

… uhm, you forgot to name one.

“It is really glib to say that each and every current member in the FoF is in mental captivity. There are many creative, intelligent and well balanced FoF members that I respect and like even today. “

Just the fact that they are there, contradicts your statement.

“I will not go back there because I have much better life today than before. “

… and yet, another inconsistency.

Someone:144

“There was no patronizing and elitism based on any arrogant approach, because such approach considered to be imaginary in the FoF.”

You are kidding, right?

“I am not defending the FoF, I am trying to describe things as they are. “

You might still be allergic to an opposite “I”, but you are defending it. You are trying, and it is your experience (another BS hiding place) nevertheless you are still blind. And by the way you forgot to say: “I am trying to describe things as I see them“.

“The main focus should have been the sexual conduct, but unfortunately no one who has first hand experience dares to come forward and make a complaint.”

It would work with minors, but RB paid millions for that lesson. The others are adults, it was their choice, isn’t it? Nobody cares. There are so many things that should call for your focus, but I agree with x-ray “That’s because you were and still are indoctrinated”

Just a question for Nigel:

You mentioned that “the Universe will provide as always”… isn’t that the same Universe that provided you with RB and the FOF?

149. silentpurr - April 18, 2011

I would guess that in the Fellowship, most people who stay after having learned the esoteric facts, are there for the soap-opera of it all.
It’s a club.

150. nigel - April 18, 2011

148 J.D.

Yes…..I learnt a great deal in ‘the camp of the enemy’ (dark side of the ‘force’) but came nowhere near the sexual intertissuedness…..

All I can say is, now I am ‘light years’ away from the FOF, I can look back and collect myself, as I am now, and, hopefully, give something to those who are ‘near to the fence’ and willing to leave, with all the hardships, psychologically, it entails…..Nigel.

151. associated press - April 19, 2011

The Oregonian:
Rajneeshees in Oregon:
The Untold Story

‘Hand-picked teams of Rajneeshees had executed the largest biological terrorism attack in U.S. [recent] history, poisoning at least 700 people. They ran the largest illegal wiretapping operation ever uncovered. And their immigration fraud to harbor foreigners remains unrivaled in scope. The revelations brought criminal charges, defections, global manhunts and prison time.

But there was much more.’

http://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/index.ssf/2011/04/part_one_it_was_worse_than_we.html

See this and much more via Greater Fellowship site Blog Post of same title.

Fellowship of Friends pales by comparison to the above, but do not underestimate what fanatics might be inclined to do!

What lies behind you and what lies in front of you, pales in comparison to what lies inside of you.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

152. Ill Never Tell - April 19, 2011

‘I wished RB would speak more about the light at the end of the tunnel. . .’

RB’s ‘light at the end of the tunnel’ is not the exit from the tunnel; it’s the LOCOmotive coming right at you.

‘Look out kid
Don’t matter what you did
Walk on your tiptoes
Don’t try “No-Doz”
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You don’t need a weatherman
To know which way the wind blows.’

Subterranean Homesick Blues
Bob Dylan

Supercelestial thoughts;
Subterranean actions.

153. Panorea - April 19, 2011

Such a good one!!!!

RB’s ‘light at the end of the tunnel’ is not the exit from the tunnel; it’s the LOCOmotive coming right at you.

154. NG - April 21, 2011

Appendix to 88: “zombie propaganda”

It is now confirmed that FOF members (fofids) indeed suffer from ‘Pinocchio’s Syndrome’. Wrongly attributed to the desire of turning from wooden puppet into a real boy through a process of transformation, in reality (their head is truly made out of solid timber) this extraordinary pathology derives from Pinocchio’s trip to “Il paese dei Balocchi.”
Il Paese dei Balocchi, or the Land of Toys, is the place where Pinocchio goes with his friend Lucignolo (Candlewick), where everything is positive, fun, and carefree and nobody has to learn anything. There is no school on Thursday, and the week is composed of six Thursdays and one Sunday. Summer vacations start the first day of January and end the 31st of December. Everyone plays all day and never works, from dusk till dawn, and the next day it starts all over again… only that the next day Pinocchio finds himself turned into a donkey, he is sold to a circus and he is trained to do all kinds of tricks.

A couple of weeks ago the ZOO-FOF welcomed four rare ‘Baudet de Poitou’ donkeys. This French breed of donkey is one of the most distinctive and is also among the rarest and least-known. They are friendly, affectionate and docile and… we wonder who they might be this time around.

An ass may be high-end or high-alchemy; exceptional and unique; ancient and on the brink of extinction; stylish and uncommon… but an ass nonetheless.

155. Ill Never Tell - April 21, 2011

FoF = ass ig nation

assignation [ˌæsɪgˈneɪʃən]
n
a secret or forbidden arrangement to meet, esp. one between lovers.

ass
noun
1. a long-eared, slow, patient, sure-footed domesticated mammal, Equus asinus, related to the horse, used chiefly as a beast of burden.
2. any wild species of the genus Equus, as the onager.
3. a stupid, foolish, or stubborn person.

or

noun Vulgar:
1. the buttocks.
2. the rectum.
3. Slang. sexual intercourse.
etc.

ig; as in ignoble, meaning NOT noble.

na·tion
–noun
1. a large body of people. . .
etc.

In short, ass not-nation.

Group of people, that have little or no real alignment or cohesiveness amongst them, that are preoccupied with ‘ass’ in any manner you might imagine.

156. Panorea - April 21, 2011
157. X-ray - April 21, 2011

Can anyone upload any of the recent videos from Burtons’ meetings? I would like to see that very much.
Thank you.

158. nigel - April 21, 2011

From Wikipedia…..the meaning of PSYCEDELIC…..

“The term psychedelic is derived from the Greek words ψυχή (psyche, “soul”) and δηλοῦν (deloun, “to manifest”), translating to “soul-manifesting”. A psychedelic experience is characterized by the perception of aspects of one’s mind previously unknown, or by the creative exuberance of the mind liberated from its ostensibly ordinary fetters. Psychedelic states are an array of experiences elicited by various techniques, including sensory stimulation, sensory deprivation as well as by psychedelic substances. Such experiences include hallucinations, changes of perception, synesthesia, altered states of awareness, mystical states, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.”

I post this because, over the last week or so, I have gone ‘high’ in my bipolar disorder, followed by a week of ‘crashing low’. When high ,there is synchronicity/serendipity and whole repeated moments of meaning. I feel REB is selling moments of ‘comfortable states of belongingness’ with members of the FOF (made by tweaking of the higher parts of the emotional centre). I do not believe he has permanent access to ‘higher states of consciousness’…..Nigel.

159. nigel - April 21, 2011

This was posted by someone else several pages ago, but I thought it interesting as a follow-on from the last post (responsibility for our states and what actions come from them)…..Nigel.

“Working through (Durcharbeit), the most important part of any analysis, is essentially an education in the process of assuming a tragic relationship to oneself by accepting the suffering that self-knowledge entails. Rather than seeking a magical solution to depression, one must sustain it as that melancholy that Keats called “the wakeful anguish of the soul.” Becoming responsible for oneself depends on a single circumstance: the concrete and bitter immersion in the particulars of one’s life in a recognition of one’s responsibility as cause. No satanic agency produced one’s condition and no messianic agency will come to blow it away. One must uncover those things in oneself that have shaped the self-lacerating history of one’s heart. There is only one source of inner strength, and the way to it is full acceptance of the suffering that is our deepest attunement to ourselves. Authentic self-analysis is based on the recognition that there is no deliverance from desire and inner conflict.”

(“Bible Says”, page 279)

160. nigel - April 21, 2011

One last thought for tonight…..Nigel.

FRONDES AGRESTES
By Ruskin

Section 1

4.
“Had it been ordained by the Almighty that the highest pleasures of sight should be those of most difficult attainment, and that to arrive at them it should be necessary to accumulate GILDED PALACES, tower over tower, and pile ARTIFICIAL MOUNTAINS AROUND INSINUATED LAKES, there would never have been a direct contradiction between the unselfish duties and the inherent desires of every individual. But no such contradiction exists in the system of Divine Providence; which, leaving it open to us, if we will, as creatures in probation, TO ABUSE THIS SENSE LIKE ANY OTHER, and pamper it with SELFISH AND THOUGHTLESS VANITIES, as we pamper the palate with deadly meats, until THE APPETITE OF TASTEFUL CRUELTY is lost in its sickened satiety, incapable of pleasures unless, CALIGULA LIKE, it concentrates the labour of a million lives into the sensation of an hour, – leaves it open to us, BY HUMBLE AND LOVING WAYS, to make ourselves susceptible of deep delight, WHICH SHALL NOT SEPARATE US FROM OUR FELLOWS, nor require the sacrifice of ANY DUTY OR OCCUPATION, but shall bind us closer to men and to God, and be with us always, HARMONISED WITH EVERY ACTION, CONSISTENT WITH EVERY CLAIM, UNCHANGING AND ETERNAL.”

(Stuff you, Burton!)

161. silentpurr - April 22, 2011

I can remember those meetings. The long silences, as we, savoring each morsel of wisdom, sit in our collective awareness. If I had known what was happening on the psychological subterranean, I would have burst out laughing!

162. Golden Veil - April 23, 2011

163. Golden Veil - April 23, 2011

164. nige - April 23, 2011

I was pondering, on a car-ride to Cornwall today, why it is that psychopaths can attract people who might otherwise appear normal but get ‘hooked into’ the ‘cult emotionality’ or, should we call it the ‘commune-psych’? Maybe there is only hope for damaged souls to wake up to the emotio-intellectual, physical, financial and legal crimes that are going on in the FOF and they may only leave in ‘a slow procession’. In the end, people will believe what they want to believe and some people believe Burton is leading them to Heaven (whatever he believes that is)…..Nigel.

165. nige - April 24, 2011

From “The Winding Stair” by William Butler Yeats…

“What matter if I live it all once more?
Endure that toil of growing up;
The ignominy of boyhood; the distress
Of boyhood changing into man;
The unfinished man and his pain
Brought face to face with his own clumsiness;”

(seems to sum-up the need to continue in this life…..n.)

166. nige - April 24, 2011

Obituary: Indian guru Sai Baba By Tanya Datta

Secret Swami …..
Sai Baba: God-man or con man?
Sri Satya Sai Baba, India’s revered spiritual guru who counted presidents, prime ministers, judges and generals amongst his millions of followers around the world, has died at the age of 84.

Until the last, he was a man who inspired passionately conflicting emotions (as I discovered when I made a BBC investigative documentary about him in 2004 called Secret Swami).

To his devotees, Sai Baba was an avatar, an incarnation of God in human form, who appeared on Earth to preach his inspirational message in one of India’s poorest corners.

To his critics, he was a fraudster dogged for years by controversial allegations of sexual abuse yet protected from prosecution by virtue of his powerful political sway.

Whatever he was, there was no doubt that over time he rose in prominence to become India’s premier “god-man”, eclipsing the likes of Maharishi and Shri Rajneesh who had first drawn Westerners east in the Sixties and Seventies.

A petite, softly spoken man dressed in full length saffron robes and perpetually sporting a trademark afro hairstyle, Sai Baba’s appeal was not limited to Western hippies but cut across Indian society from its lowest to highest echelons as well as spreading to many other countries beyond.

‘Immaculate conception’

Satya Sai Baba was born Sathyanarayana Raju on 23 November 1926 in the remote village of Puttaparthi in the south Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, although like many born at this time, there is no proof of his date of birth.

Stories abound of the early signs of his divinity.

It is said that his mother claimed her son was born out of an immaculate conception just as Jesus Christ had been, another messiah who Sai Baba often identified himself with.

On another occasion, he was alleged to have survived a scorpion bite and on his recovery, was miraculously able to speak Sanskrit, a language he did not know before. Indeed, throughout his childhood, he was said to have been abnormally gifted in artistic pursuits such as music, dance, drama and writing.

Sai Baba had a huge following When he was 13 years old, the young boy announced to his family that he was the incarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba, a 19th century Indian holyman who had been equally venerated by Hindus and Muslims alike. Changing his name was a key spiritual metamorphosis.

The teenage Sai Baba soon began to attract followers and by 1950, had constructed an ashram called Prasanthi Nilayam (Abode of Peace) near his village to accommodate them.

It heralded the start of the transformation of Puttaparthi into a Sai Baba wonderland spread over some 10 square kilometres; the vast complex of hotels, resorts, university buildings, speciality hospital, airport and enormous ashram thronged with devotees that I witnessed while making the documentary.

Non-dogmatic

Part of Sai Baba’s huge global popularity may be explained by his non-dogmatic, non-doctrinal approach to spirituality.

In contrast to many sects, followers were not required to give up their previous religious beliefs as the guru stated that he believed in the one God that lay behind all religious paths.

Certainly, Sai Baba inspired love and admiration.

During our time spent filming at the ashram, devotees from around the world would volunteer stories about how Sai Baba had visited them in a dream or had called to them though moments of curious serendipity.

In addition, his mystical ability to manifest vibhuti (holy ash), food as well as jewellery and watches out of thin air was often cited as further proof of his divinity and akin to the ‘miracles’ ascribed to other past prophets.

His opponents, however, refuted this to me.

In the Secret Swami, I was shown how these manifestations could easily be explained by illusionists’ techniques and sleight of hand tricks.

For decades, various scientists, rationalists and magicians have in turn, attempted to challenge the guru to perform his ‘miracles’ under controlled conditions.

Sai Baba always refused to submit to these tests, once saying: “Science must confine its inquiry only to things belonging to the human senses, while spiritualism transcends the senses. If you want to understand the nature of spiritual power you can do so only through the path of spirituality and not science.”

Sexual Abuse

The most damning allegations against the “god-man”, however, concern the sexual abuse of young boys and male adults during private interviews with him.

Damaging rumours have circulated since the seventies of the guru’s sexual exploits but have always been dismissed out of hand by the tightly controlled Sai Baba organisation.

We interviewed the Rahm family in America who had been Sai Baba devotees for years. Both father and son stated that they had been subjected to Sai Baba rubbing oil on their genitals.

“He took me aside,” said Alaya Rahm, “put the oil on his hands, told me to drop my pants and rubbed my genitals with oil. I was really taken aback.”

Sai Baba counted former Indian prime ministers as his followers Dr Michael Goldstein, chairman of the international Sai Baba organisation, admitted he had heard rumours, but told us that he did not believe them. He said: “My heart and my conscience tell me that it is not possible.”

Sai Baba was never investigated on this issue. All attempts to prosecute him failed.

Nor was there any satisfactory resolution to the gruesome killing of four male devotees in 1993 who allegedly entered Sai Baba’s bedroom, armed with knives.

The police claimed they had been shot in self-defence.

The lack of any legal proceedings against the guru was perhaps not surprising in light of the level of influence that he commanded.

A previous Indian prime minister, Atal Vajpayee, once issued a letter on his official notepaper calling the attacks on Sai Baba “wild, reckless and concocted”.

Since 2005, Sai Baba’s health had been deteriorating. Although he once predicted he would die in his mid-90s, he also claimed he could choose the moment of his death.

In death as in life, he remained an enigma to the last.

Tanya Dutt is a London-based radio and television broadcaster and writer. She made Secret Swami, an investigative documentary on Sai Baba for BBC Two.

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167. qwertyuiop - April 24, 2011

surelyujest 147 … loved your post, which stirs contemplation and reflection, as well as the article you linked to. Quoting from that article below:

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“Everything suggests,” Humphrey says, “that consciousness in all its glory has been designed, preferred through natural selection and amplified by evolution.”

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“What is it about consciousness, this “magical” ability to perceive and exult in beauty, meaning and a sense of awe, that confers an evolutionary advantage? His answer is simply that this magical show in our own heads which enchants the world is what makes life worth living: “For a phenomenally conscious creature, simply being there is a cause for celebration.” Consciousness infuses us with the belief that we are more than mere flesh, that we matter, that we might have a life after death, that we have a “soul”. All of these are illusions – the magic of his title – but they have real effects, by making us want to live.”

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Well… except that a large number of us don’t seem to “exult in beauty, meaning and a sense of awe,” but instead find a reason to live by gaining power, money, and control over others and using others for our own pleasure and satisfaction. This may be one reason that Hitler and his cohorts committed suicide at the end of their attempt to control the world — they had lost their reason for living — no, not to value and appreciate life and to “exult in beauty, meaning and a sense of awe,” but to exalt in their own egos. What’s more, I sometimes wonder if people like Burton actually came to their eventual states of sociopath-hood partly because they concluded at very young ages that none of this matters — that all of us have the same fates, whether we live our lives with love, or if we live them with hate. We’re going to die — and then, *poof*.

Somehow I sense we’re taking a step in the right direction when we refrain from the belief that we know — one way or the other… when we see that it’s a mystery. But the thing is, maybe there’s a certain comfort in believing that we know. If we believe that there’s no afterlife and no consequences, we can relax and do as we please with no concern for life or the effects of our actions on others. In this world view, we’ve escaped “feminine dominance” and can just live our lives freely and happily, unencumbered by the opinions of others. We’ll “get ours” while others waste their time worrying about all of this nonsense. But if on the other hand we believe there is an afterlife, we can relax knowing that we have found the way and that we’ll be safe simply by believing. If they choose, a person can also set their conscience aside — head to church on Sunday and open the door to the confessional, or make sure we keep writing our checks to Robert Burton.

But what advantage is there in sensing the mystery? We have no answers. We can’t feel any certainty about whether anything we do has any consequences or advantages, or whether it’s a completely meaningless and inconsequential experiment that will be disposed of when the earth disintegrates, or even long before. From here, there is the option, however, to silently follow our conscience — no fanfare or profit to be had. Whether that’s just a mind game and simply an evolutionary reason for us to live — who knows. I certainly don’t.

I often sense that pondering these questions is a bit like pondering the stars.

I think that I have a decent grasp of the stars when I look to the night sky, but then I go to a remote outpost in northern Canada, and I see so many stars that there are more stars than darkness. And — remember those first vivid images from the Hubble Space Telescope back in the mid 1990s? They pointed the telescope at the deepest, darkest point in the universe. When they did so, they had no clear idea what images the telescope would send back, if any images at all. Just blackness? No one knew for sure.

What it sent back was something like this — a picture filled not with stars, but with hundreds of galaxies, each with billions of stars:

168. nigel - April 24, 2011

167 qwertyuiop

Brill!!!!!…..your post and the link-image thrilled my sense of being and hoping that you will continue posting…..Nigel.

169. qwertyuiop - April 25, 2011

Warm wishes, Nigel…

170. surelyujest - April 25, 2011

167 qwertyuiop

NIcely stated. That Hubble photograph never fails to awe me. When you think that it represents just one tiny slice of sky, and there are thousands or millions of slices like that, each with thousands of galaxies in every direction…what was that quote? The universe isn’t just bigger than we imagine, it’s bigger than we CAN imagine. Or maybe it’s “stranger,” not “bigger.” But it works either way.

Becoming okay with mystery is progress. Those who cling to contrived answers are hiding from the enormity of reality. They feel bigger when they live as if they KNOW. They don’t. None of us does. Not even Ouspensky knew what was going on any more than anyone else.

171. surelyujest - April 25, 2011

From this link:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=too-hard-for-science-the-sense-of-m-2011-04-11

“Director of the Center for Sleep and Cognition at Harvard Medical School Robert] Stickgold notes that during REM sleep, when dreaming typically occurs, the release of the neurotransmitter serotonin is shut off in the brain. The only other time that happens is because of LSD, “when people seem to have these totally uninteresting experiences they describe as profoundly meaningful called ‘acid insights.'”

This sense of meaning may be a physical phenomenon “just like hunger or thirst, save that it’s the excitement we feel upon a great insight, that ‘Aha!’ feeling,” Stickgold says. “Who knows why, for instance, fireworks often seem to trigger it — maybe there’s something about the geometric patterns that evokes this sense of awesomeness, the feeling that we can almost understand something amazing but not quite that drives us to seek a better understanding of things. It’s like what you feel during a religious experience — you sense the oneness of mankind.”

Might this not be the same phenomenon as what we came to call “higher centers”? These moments have a lot in common with dreams — that feeling that you are perceiving higher meaning that cannot be explained.

If I ever met a 4th way practitioner who had actually attained something higher, I might be more inclined to take it seriously again. After decades of practice, shouldn’t there be some result? On the contrary, the “results” appear overwhelmingly negative. It turns people into nuts.

172. WhaleRider - April 25, 2011

Baba Black Sheep, Have You Any Fools?

USA TODAY- The mood was sweet and dour in the rural, creepy, cult-infested backwaters of Oregon House, California today as the unwelcome news finally filtered through the thick, multi-layered intellectual and emotional defenses of the hardcore Fellowship adherents that yet another exalted spiritual fraudster such as their own had passed onto the great beyond, without having fulfilled his lifelong promise of producing permanent consciousness in at least one of the followers of his “slippery” and sometimes bizarre spiritual techniques…techniques with which many men hand chosen to be close to Sai Baba had a hard time coming to grips.

“Trying to hold onto permanent consciousness,” Sai Baba reportedly loved to quote from one modern American Spiritualist, as he massaged their genitals with lubricant, “…is like trying to hold onto an avocado pit. The harder you try, the slipperier it gets in your hands. See? Then, oops!…off you go!”

The sobering message society learns from the lives and underhanded antics of Indian Swamis like Sai Baba and other smarmy, self-appointed members of the exclusive Avatar Club: unless you are reincarnated as an avatar from the start, as he claimed to be commencing from the wise age of a wee, wee, plump, pimpled, hormonally-challenged teenager who just “knows these things”, your chances of becoming an avatar or attaining the state of an awakened being on his “level” through following his precepts and/or through servitude of his bodily needs and funding his 401K are next to nil.

Burton, too, has claimed he realized at a young age that he, (or she, depending upon your perspective) was actually a “female goddess housed in a male body” and that “he (or she) was in his (or her) ninth and final lifetime.” He (She), too, has yet to fulfill his (her) lifelong promise of cultivating permanent consciousness in one or several of his (her) carefully chosen (male) followers, although has reportedly made great strides in creating permanent erections in some of his (her) younger male followers, chiefly through liberal doses of Viagra and Darvon.

As if to “raise the bar” to a higher standard for his (her) group, reportedly one of Burton’s young male followers is blissfully depicted exalted, larger than life with a permanent erection, in a commissioned painting on the ceiling of Burton’s gay villa. Burton himself (or herself) is said to have eagerly volunteered for the fluffing of the model.

Is this the message Burton would like to leave for posterity…that for him, seeing hard-ons (the object of his desire) makes him more “present”, so the more hard-ons he sees, the higher his level of being?

BaaaBaaa

173. nigel - April 25, 2011

168 qwertyuiop/171 surelyujest

You know when a few of you told me to take a break a liitle while ago?…..

Well, a great deal corresponds to your posts – it would be great to have WhaleRider in on this stage in the discussion, since he may give some insight into dopamine/serotonin floods, which I experience in hypo-mania (all meaning and smack-in-the-face serendipity/synchronicity) – I think we are getting near to how REB controls and subjugates emotions into a ‘happy spiritual family’ all being present and enjoying the ‘kulcha’. And if REB is conscious (and, so we are led to believe, GH in a lesser way) why the hell are anti-depressants needed – I need Zyprexa (Olanzapine), Priadel (Lithium) and Depakote (Sodium Valporate) to prevent stress sending my state into outer space!!!!! Admittedly, I find when there, that ‘happy people are sexy people’, but I would really like to open up to other’s ‘stories’ – I feel this is an important stage in the blog. Can we get to the root of the problem that is Robert Earl Burton, his enablers and the cult that revolves around them?…..Nigel.

174. J. D. - April 25, 2011

Nigel: “I feel this is an important stage in the blog. Can we get to the root of the problem that is Robert Earl Burton, his enablers and the cult that revolves around them?”

I see eye to eye. I feel that it is a same-old-same-old stage in the blog. Speaking of which, why not get to the root of what made us so naive, idiotic, pathetic and delusional to stick with a sick problem that is REB as shown in Golden Veil 162, 163. We were those enablers, we were that cult; it was us.

Qwertyuiop: “Somehow I sense we’re taking a step in the right direction when we refrain from the belief that we know — one way or the other… when we see that it’s a mystery.”

I concur. A step in the right direction would be knowing that we don’t and cannot know, period… But we love to leave the door open. We don’t know but we know that we could.

Somehow we cannot stop masturbating while gazing at the stars. “And — remember those first vivid images from the Hubble Space Telescope back in the mid 1990s? …What it sent back was something like this — a picture filled not with stars, but with hundreds of galaxies, each with billions of stars.”

Wow! Great! Thanks! That really changed my day!

Surelyujest: “The universe isn’t just bigger than we imagine, it’s bigger than we CAN imagine. Or maybe it’s “stranger,” not “bigger.” But it works either way”

I agree. The universe doesn’t give a shit. Why do we?

175. qwertyuiop - April 26, 2011

J.D., I’m impressed with the sarcasm. Not nearly enough to spoil an excellent day, however. Have fun!

Regarding your last comment… “The universe doesn’t [care]. Why do we?”

I’m only guessing where you’re coming from, but there’s another way to look at it:

If you don’t care, why should the universe?

176. J. D. - April 26, 2011

That’s what I’m talking about!

Thank you!

177. qwertyuiop - April 26, 2011

170. surelyu-rock

Loved that article, too. Near the end, the author wrote:

“Another piece in this series will run later this week, featuring the first scientist to respond to my open request for ideas that might be too hard for science. If you have a scientist you would like to recommend I question, or you are a scientist with an idea you think might be too hard for science, email me at toohardforscience@gmail.com.”

A better question might be, “Is there any limit to the number of ideas that are too hard for science?”

In a sense, no ideas are “too hard”. The problem is, in each answer there’s another question, and in that answer, another question, and another, and another.

Regarding the image from the Hubble, one thing it did right away was screw up the theoretical age of the universe. Not only was the universe getting bigger, but also very much older. Scientists began scratching their heads when they realized there were galaxies out there that were nearly as old as the Big Bang (since they were able to roughly calculate the distance of the galaxies and therefore the age of the light that was reaching our eyes. So the Big Bang must have occurred much earlier than we thought. They immediately scrambled to recalculate. And they’re still recalculating.

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surelyujest wrote:

“If I ever met a 4th way practitioner who had actually attained something higher, I might be more inclined to take it seriously again. After decades of practice, shouldn’t there be some result? On the contrary, the “results” appear overwhelmingly negative. It turns people into nuts.”

In the fof, this is what’s called asking too many questions. We noticed no effects in others or in ourselves other than a growing level of insanity and denial, or we just pretended something good was happening. But at first we dared not say anything — it would have been like saying the Emporer had no clothes.

178. qwertyuiop - April 26, 2011

176. J. D. – April 26, 2011

“That’s what I’m talking about! Thank you!”

OK!

179. Panorea - April 26, 2011

ASAF’S BLOG

http://rltblog.com/about/

This is Asaf’s blog about his travels and experiences. He introduces himself as “Asaf began his traveling career assisting a private art collector.” He talks about inspiration and innocence and I believe what he says and tries… But is he still Robert’s puppet? Is he trying to advertise the Fellowship of Friends or is he is just trying to follow his own path? His basis is, unfortunately, Robert Burton. But, I am sure there are many people who want to be followers as soon as they find a leader…

180. nigel - April 26, 2011

174 J.D.

“The universe doesn’t give a shit. Why do we?”

Sorry, mate…..but you are probably in the wrong universe. I take the risk of caring what I do, especially the way I earn my (albeit meagre) living. And the more I care about that and my attitude to my friends and students, the more the universe responds to me with kindness. May I suggest that you probably trampled over others in the FOF and probably do so now. Are you a computer wizz, headhunter or medical professional -all money and no vocation?????…..Nigel.

181. X-ray - April 26, 2011

179. Panorea – April 26, 2011

ASAF’S BLOG

http://rltblog.com/about/

Go get a job, you sucker!
The guy never worked in his life. He came from a wealthy family in Israel and now he continuing his parasitic existence using the hard earned students’ money to travel thru the world fixing broken image of his dady Burton.
He have to be charged with fraudulent marriage and be deported to Israel after doing his time in federal prison and paying $250,000 in fine. (read immigration law)

182. brucelevy - April 26, 2011

http://rltblog.com/about/

“learning to discern between the fraudulent and the authentic.”

Unfuckingbelievable.

183. qwertyuiop - April 26, 2011

179. Panorea – April 26, 2011
ASAF’S BLOG

Speaking of travel, it has another purpose for Burton in distracting people from the abnormalities of the fof. If some people seem to be blending in with the world, what goes on in secret (maybe) seems less nefarious, less malignant, and there’s less attention paid to it. Hey, we’re traveling and blending in with the world (although separating ourselves, too), so this can’t be so bad — can it?

There’s a constant attempt in the fof to normalize the abnormal.

Someone should REALLY take some photographs of the fof one day — showing the weeds and the cracks in the foundations, dishes piled up in the kitchen, rats crawling in the pantry, grape vines chopped off at the base, people standing still with tension and confusion during a meeting, candid shots of someone in a corner with a puzzled look on his or face. A person sitting in a car by themselves after a meeting — a look on their face that seems to wonder why everyone doesn’t acknowledge the insanity, or perhaps blaming themselves for seeing it. Another person, with tears — not of joy, but of sadness and fear and utter frustration and confusion.

A picture of a door at the Academy — ominous and dark and filled with secrets — but with people walking by and ignoring it.

One day maybe someone will present a website with those photos.

184. J. D. - April 26, 2011

Hey! …Maybe the universe can do it! He/She/It/They/Whatever is the only one that can succeed for sure.
The same caring universe that seems to have turned a blind eye to REB. That same universe which provided him with such horrible life. REB is a sick, sick man, but he is doing okay after all, despite all the curses from former ‘fofids'(me included); the same concerned universe, that after all the prayers wishing him to suffer a truculent death, also turned a deaf ear. But I’m staying confident and my guess is that the universe is taking his precious time (you cannot rush the universe!), and in the end that same universe will REALLY provide for our revengeful comfort, killing him with natural causes while lying on his student-skin comforter at the venerable poetic age of 98… remember? “Never change a winning game!” Don’t lose your self-belief, it is working! Please pardon my amateurish guess, not worth to stand among so talented ‘guess-tellers’ and ‘transurfing dudes’.

185. Peter Schwank - April 26, 2011

for me it was not all that bad

but i left 4 years to late

thing is to stay present after you leave

it can be don – out of the love of doing it

keep it simple

don’t be afraid to die

don’t want to be a personality

just life – till you drop dead

186. nigel - April 26, 2011

Something about consciousness…..

“And I have felt
A presence that disturbs me with the joy
Of elevated thoughts; a sense sublime
Of something far more deeply interfused,
Whose dwelling is the light of setting suns,
And the round ocean and the living air,
And the blue sky, and in the mind of man;
A motion and a spirit, that impels
All thinking things, all objects of all thought,
And rolls through all things. Therefore am I still
A lover of the meadows and the woods,
And mountains; and of all that we behold
From this green earth; of all the mighty world
Of eye, and ear, — both what they half create,
And what perceive; well pleased to recognise
In nature and the language of the sense,
The anchor of my purest thoughts, the nurse,
The guide, the guardian of my heart, and soul
Of all my moral being.”

(William Wordsworth – ‘Above Tintern Abbey’)

187. fofblogmoderator - April 26, 2011

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